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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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This argument always pops up as if there aren't a wealth of very successful daily cannabis users.

The scale of human potential is vast. Who's to say that, for a given definition of success, a person who's "very successful" with one lifestyle wouldn't be 10x or 100x more successful in another?

Who's to say anything about anyone? We only get one shot at this. There's no perfect way to live a life.

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When I lived in NYC almost every single one of my friends regularly smoked pot and it seemed pretty harmless to me except I’d occasionally have a friend who never really addressed their anxiety because pot was their go-to so that anxiety just got worse and worse. Years later, I joined Al-Anon because my partner was struggling with alcoholism and I was really surprised to see so many people there because a partner or…

It’s a terrible anxiety medicine as probably the most common side effect is anxiety.

i agree, its a terrible treatment for anxiety. ive had friends ask me for strain recommendations to help treat anxiety, my advice is always "none of them".

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The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

Can confirm.

Two of my kids use THC pretty regularly and they seem content with a life that is paying the bills but not really leading anywhere.

The third does not (AFAIK) and is on a much higher trajectory.

All had pretty much the same upbringing, rules, experiences, and discipline.

I've never used it, so don't have personal experience.

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I'm struggling with this right now. Using during the day is still an uncommon occurrence, but it's happening more and more. The real issue I'm having with it is that I'm using pretty much every night. I come from the gym, take a shower, and grab the vape pen and sit on the couch. It just makes me so lazy. I stopped cooking and just eat pizza and ice cream nearly every night. Thankfully my weight hasn't taken a hit. B…

Yeah exactly. Like a lazy night isn't the worst thing in the world... it isn't even all that bad. It's not like you're breaking into cars for meth money or drunkenly assaulting people. But still, do you really want every night of your life to be vape pen, Netflix, order pizza? I don't really know the best way to kick the habit or to reduce it. It seems like different things work for different people. Maybe it would h…

What's your expience with cannabis that makes you think every weed smoker only watches tv and eats pizza?

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The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

The article is opposite of your point- that modern cannabis products are much more potent than ever before and that young people who consume them regularly are prone to severe psychiatric repercussions beyond just "being a stoner"

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Saying it twice doesn't make it true. Just one URI, that's all anyone asks.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15504263.2019.1... “Results: Consistent evidence, both from observational and experimental studies, has confirmed the important role of cannabis use in the initiation and persistence of psychotic disorders. The size of the effect is related to the extent of cannabis use, with greater risk for early cannabis use and use of high-potency varieties and synthetic cannabinoids.…

Thanks, I'll add that, as well as your other links, to the reading list for the evening.

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I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

South Park also put it well when they understood that total abstinence is not the only way to deal with the situation. Maybe all it takes is a little discipline. After all, there's a passive danger in many things we do or neglect to do.

> South Park also put it well when they understood that total abstinence is not the only way to deal with the situation. Maybe all it takes is a little discipline.

Exercising a "little discipline" doesn't really work for addictive substances. In my experience, high-functioning people with tons of impulse control often don't appreciate that others around them have more limited capacity for that. Despite drinking a lot in grad school, I just stopped after my daughter was born. Not out of any problem functioning, I was a social drinker and was just too busy with a job and baby. But it would be foolish of me to assume that everyone can just exercise "a little discipline" and go from 5+ drinks a night to nothing just like that.

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Many years ago I was sitting at my computer smoking after work like I normally did, and I asked myself, "What would I be doing if I wasn't smoking right now" and I couldn't answer it. I tapered off pretty easily and began to fill my time with other hobbies. I was never the type of smoker which was "active". I would smoke socially and began to hate that I could never remember people's names or conversations. It made m…

Indica or sativa? Most people with complaints as you describe are smoking indica, sativa is more appropriate for social situations, but can still make you get stuck in your head. Most people I know who use sativa find it helps their creativity.

If one more person tries to tell me it's strain... Both, any mixture, any strain. Edibles, vaping, smoking, all of it.

Some of the more pleasant times are when I mix up ABV (already vaped weed) into edibles. Those I can get weak enough and with only the more stony compounds remaining where it can be pleasant, but it still turns me into a drooling idiot with absolutely horrific munchies.

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The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

I think it's a substance that can lend itself really well to the creative aspects if used in moderation and with something like taking continuous notes so you don't lose those thoughts and ideas.

I've come up with some really great stuff while moderately stoned, and while I don't consume it on a daily anymore, I can't understate the importance of having some way of recording those thoughts as soon as you come up with them be it a notepad, notepad.exe or even a voice recorder if logging things on paper or text isn't your thing because it tends to mess with your short term memory enough to forget whatever interesting point of view you've arrived on within a minute or so. I think I learned this from comedians actually, George Carlin used to work like this. I bet there's plenty of writers on South Park and may other comedy shows who do, too.

Obviously taking it on a wake-and-bake basis throughout the day is going to give you problems though. Don't use it like that unless you're trying to manage serious illness like to keep your chemotherapy meds down or arthritis or whatever. Hell I don't even drink caffeine on a daily anymore because I find WAY more utility out of it once every couple of weeks or so. Oh yeah and if I'm going to agree with anything in this article it's that extracts are kinda too turbo, but I've also tried them in small amounts in drinks (Around 5-10mg) and that was pretty amazing compared to smoking in terms of lack of side effects from inhaling crap.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

weed is a godsend for me. I normally aways feel a bit guilty if I'm not doing something productive. To the point where its a significant source of anxiety and insomnia. when things start getting to hot in the brain, a few puffs and I'm content to relax, watch some anime and sleep early.

completely agree with the op in general though. def not good of for kids who should be working on establishing themselves.

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