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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by sohdas » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:34 PM UTC

undersuit wrote: post #46

raxxorraxor wrote: post #39

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> The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol Eh, I don't believe that. Especially with weed there is not much to indicate dosage and the addiction is often to tobacco too which motivates people to smoke another joint. It is true that plants got more potent too. At least this is the case in Europe where weed is a bit different than in the US. But I guess the most immediate dang…

I track my cannabis consumption. Every time I buy I record the weight, price, date, and strain info. My daily consumption in grams per day averages out to 1.5g. Yet there are days when I'm consuming 3+ grams, and if you look at my spreadsheet you can see that more often then not those heavy days fall in a row. I'm not having days where I intake more THC, I'm having days where I consume more cannabis than normal from…

virtually no teenagers or college students do any of this.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by naravara » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:35 PM UTC

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I can't help but wonder if normalizing regular use of increasingly potent weed correlating with dramatic increases in anxiety disorders among young people are related.

Yeah there's the general state of the world, economic precarity among families, the effects of social media, the education system and society in general deprioritizing developing resilience and coping skills as part of children's upbringings, etc. I'm sure they all contribute, but I have a hard time believing the weed is helping.

In most cultural practices that revolve around psychoactive substances it's typical to embed them in sort of a ritual context. Alcohol is pretty obvious, but even things like tea ceremonies or ritual practices around use of hallucinogens match. The modern "clinical" approach of just focusing on consuming the substance without any social or cultural thing around it is probably the wrong way to go about things. We do this with alcohol, for example, where we have some socially understood norms about healthy and unhealthy ways of using it, in particular not drinking alone as a habit.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by DiggyJohnson » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:36 PM UTC

spywaregorilla wrote: post #131

undersuit wrote: post #46

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I track my cannabis consumption. Every time I buy I record the weight, price, date, and strain info. My daily consumption in grams per day averages out to 1.5g. Yet there are days when I'm consuming 3+ grams, and if you look at my spreadsheet you can see that more often then not those heavy days fall in a row. I'm not having days where I intake more THC, I'm having days where I consume more cannabis than normal from…

Great. Are you an outlier or a typical user?

Good question.

I'd also like to ask GP whether they think 1.5-3g a day is a low, moderate, or high quantity in a day, in their opinion.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by tacheiordache » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:36 PM UTC

murat124 wrote: post #132

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

The thing with cannabis (with THC) is that it makes doing nothing OK so you may realize after some time of daily use that you have accepted doing nothing as a legit activity, contrarily when not high you'd either do something to utilize that time or may feel bad that you have nothing to do (bored). Cannabis has not much of physical addiction properties which is great yet one day you may find 10 years have got behind…

I smoke very little, not enough to get high. This helps me practice musical instruments and do other tedious stuff. I never ever do nothing when on it, maybe the small quantity has the opposite effect, at least for me.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by blakebreeder » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:37 PM UTC

photochemsyn wrote: post #19

This line has been reliably trotted out every few years since the 1990s at least: But experts say today’s high-THC cannabis products — vastly different than the joints smoked decades ago — are poisoning some heavy users, including teenagers. The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.…

hard to moderate consumption when you're doing dabs...

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by krnlpnc » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Like anything it's about balance. The same could be said about working every day, at all different times of the day.

There is something to be said for turning off the part of the brain that worries about being productive all the time.

Claiming a few 4 hour blocks over the course of a week as your own time to "zone out" and do whatever activity you like is not a bad thing. For some people cannabis helps them get in that zone.

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Post by linuxftw » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:38 PM UTC

akpa1 wrote: post #194

neonate wrote: post #52

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Post by blowski » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:39 PM UTC

marginalia_nu wrote: post #200

mesofile wrote: post #119

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I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

I think this is largely the problem with mobile phones as well. Like you probably aren't going to go mad or get rectangular eyes or whatever, but you can just sort of sedate that sensation of boredom with scrolling reddit or facebook or whatever, which does all of bupkis for making us happy in the long term.

This is the same argument with all consuming vs producing.

It's why there was a moral panic in the 1800s over Jane Austen style fiction, in the 1930s over radio, and so on.

Being addicted to cannabis is not really any different to playing computer games 12 hours a day, doing endless marathons, watching sports, investing, or many similar activities.

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Post by asdff » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:40 PM UTC

I'm currently doing a read of Manufactured Consent and I can't help but imagine these articles are the harbingers of really stupid regulations "for the children." Juul was banned today for the children in related news, after years of these sorts of pearl clutching headlines. All the more motivation to continue growing my own removed from potential overreach or all the overtaxation.

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Post by samatman » Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:41 PM UTC

coding123 wrote: post #151

spywaregorilla wrote: post #139

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Most people can handle it. But that still doesn't mean everyone should do drugs.

You're saying that if everyone in the world started to take cocaine daily, a high percentage of people, say 80-90% can handle it.

Higher than that I would guess. Bolivians seem to handle it at a rate of "all of them".

Of course they're using quids, if they were injectors of pure cocaine the situation would be less rosy. But you didn't specify the route and concentration.

This isn't a gotcha, it's a habit of daily use by millions, all of whom are basically fine.