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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by s1mon »

jcelerier wrote: post #96
slg wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

> Should we make video games illegal Didn't China do almost exactly that?

Not exactly. They restricted online gaming. "China Limits Online Videogames to Three Hours a Week for Young People - New regulation will ban minors from playing videogames entirely between Monday and Thursday" https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-sets-new-rules-for-youth-...

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Post by fzeroracer »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #130
UncleMeat wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people want is for weed to be legal. These arguments about wasted lives are used to justify keeping it illegal.

Users of weed do more to keep it illegal by their off-putting rhetoric than any Refer Madness propaganda does. I've been in favor of legalization for decades but really dislike discussing it with users because of their often lack of self-awareness and tendency to be just as dishonest as those against it.

What? Like, films such as Reefer Madness were created at the height of the anti-marijuana propaganda drive fueled by strongly racist rhetoric to stamp out minorities. That drive and rhetoric dictated US policy for over 50 years, resulted in increasing penalties against marijuana users and leads up to the current day where it's still classified as Schedule I drug.

Your framing of the situation is just remarkably wrong considering the entire legal history of marijuana in the US.

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Post by graublau »

darth_avocado wrote: post #66
iamdbtoo wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument always pops up as if there aren't a wealth of very successful daily cannabis users.

There are a wealth of very successful alcoholics and cocaine users too. On an average, alcoholism and cocaine dependence still ruins life. Don’t look at the exceptions to define the average.

2x drinks at a happy hour isn't successful alcoholism, that's just a lack of cultural stigma.

I also slightly doubt casual cocaine won't catch up with you eventually, might take years. Stimulants are generally work friendly anyway, see coffee/adderall.

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Post by honkycat »

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

> As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "normal". And you just won't get as much out of your life as you could get, won't achieve as much relationship success, professional success, or personal fulfillment.

You can form a bad relationship with literally anything. Social media, television, video games.

The smartest and most passionate developer I have ever known smoked weed literally every day.

There are many musicians who use marijuana regularly. They perform, practice, and achieve at a level I can only IMAGINE.

What you are really talking about here is something nefarious: Self medication. Personally, I self medicate because I have a very busy mind and I need something to slow my brain down at the end of the day.

Other people self medicate due to depression. This IS bad. It is a way to escape reality because you are unhappy.

Anecdote: I smoked weed in high school pretty frequently. Then, I left for college, was super busy, didn't have any money, so I didn't smoke weed for almost a decade.

Eventually I moved to a state that has legal weed, and I bought a joint, and I smoked it. And I found something: It wasn't just youthful rebellion, I enjoy being a little stoned! So now I do it occasionally.

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Post by iasay »

lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

So much this. Lost a couple of friends to it. Their entire life is about it. They forgot all the other good things they were and did.

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

flictonic wrote: post #160
y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #120

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You'd think that would work, but it doesn't and I don't know why. Maybe because you still get the same % in the hit but it just doesn't last as long? For people that use vaporizers like mine, you also need to have a certain amount for the vaporizer to be effective otherwise you get nothing out of it which leads to inserting even more weed and suddenly you have more in your system than you meant to. The higher percent…

> For people that use vaporizers like mine, you also need to have a certain amount for the vaporizer to be effective otherwise you get nothing out of it You probably know this but just in case, some vapes are better for microdosing than others and will work with just a pinch. > Unfortunately finding the low-dose stuff seems to be very difficult. What I've been doing is buying CBD flower online (usually <$75 per/ounce…

Check out Simply Crafted for getting this to your door safely at a great price.

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Post by Agamus »

999900000999 wrote: post #79
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

As someone who used to be morbidly obese, I can make a better argument for banning Mc Donald's. >And you just won't get as much out of your life as you could get, won't achieve as much relationship success, professional success, or personal fulfillment. This applies to being 100 pounds overweight too. Hell, it can be argued if you cut out beer and switch to cannabis your health will improve.

Not sure if this is related, but from what I understand, cannabis is prescribed medically to treat both anorexia and bulimia.

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Post by com2kid »

aparticulate wrote: post #140
wooque wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would guess there are people who do cocaine every day without trouble. That doesn't mean everyone should do drugs. Most people can't handle it.

cocaine is not weed though most people cannot do cocaine every day without trouble. Coffee? every day is fine different drugs have different danger

> Coffee? every day is fine

/r/nootropics, common thread is as follows:

OP: "Help, I have bad anxiety every day, what should I take for it?"

re: "Do you drink coffee?"

OP: "Yes, about 4 cups a day."

re: "Stop drinking coffee and come back in a week and tell us how you are doing."

1 week later.

OP: "My anxiety is gone!!"

Caffeine has negative side effects. For some people those side effects are really bad.

Also caffeine messes up sleep cycles. After seeing sleep study results, I won't touch the stuff after 10am or so, if even that late.

Alcohol is even worse in this regard, it will just ruin your sleep cycles at night.

Edit: Let me emphasis this for anyone reading:

YOU WILL NOT GET DEEP SLEEP IF YOU HAVE A NIGHTCAP.

Yes, you will get drowsy, drink enough and you will pass out. The restorative quality of the sleep you get that night will NOT be good. I've seen first hand the sleep study results from this. The effect is so obvious that even the questionable sleep quality results that wrist based wearables give you can easily and consistently show this effect.

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Post by hosh »

slg wrote: post #69
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

I think while productivity shouldn't be the exclusive way we measure someone's life (and its implicit frame that someone's worth is measured by that person's material contribution to society), those dialogues hide a more interesting question -- how purposeful someone's life is, and whether regular, recreational use of marijuana supports or discourages living purposefully and meaningfully.

My experiences of marijuna is that it can loosen the societal conditioning on "productivity", and reveal the lack of purpose and meaning in one's life. It's liberating to realize the a lot of the conditioning don't matter as much as it seems.

It's at this point, that it's tempting to continue and just have fun. Here though, is the space in which one can discover one's purpose from within, with societal and external expectations muted. It's paradoxically that here, connecting with that purpose, brings life and joy outside of the mental states that marijuana can bring. When one makes conscious contact with that inner, unconditioned purpose, marijuna is something that is fun that one can occasionally enjoy, but not as a substitute for purposefully living.

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Post by aluminum96 »

PaulHoule wrote: post #2

I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

150mg THC for a single edible is absolutely bonkers. If you only use ~1x per month, around 3mg is a common threshold dose, and 5mg can be rather strong. So that's 50x the naive threshhold dose!
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