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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I get a strong effect from 5mg already. I can’t imagine what 150mg would do to me

THC tolerance makes a big difference. 5-10 is all I need now. When I used to smoke a lot I could take much larger doses with similar effects.

I believe it metabolizes differently. Even as an daily smoker/vaper at one point who never ate edibles, 10mg would get me very high.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

This argument always pops up as if there aren't a wealth of very successful daily cannabis users.

Yes, many successful (ie rich) people smoke pot and do not suffer because of it. Those traits are not related. Rich people do not suffer most of the negative social/financial side effects of drugs use. That's the great thing about being rich. It insulates you against most negative consequences of your actions. Normal (ie poor) people do not have such protections. They suffer massively.

A 100$/day habit for a wealthy person is nothing and, unlike cocaine, that addiction will not ramp up into a 1000$/day habit. But for the not-rich that 100$/day is devastating.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

#83

This line has been reliably trotted out every few years since the 1990s at least: But experts say today’s high-THC cannabis products — vastly different than the joints smoked decades ago — are poisoning some heavy users, including teenagers. The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.…

> The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.

It's easy to tell by looking at it that vodka is not beer. In fact you can often tell how alcoholic a beverage is just by sniffing it. Is the same true for different intensities of cannabis? In any case, hard liquor is certainly far more dangerous than beer (when you hear about college kids who died of alcohol poisoning, it's always from liquor - the physical limits of the stomach generally prevent you from getting worse than a night of vomiting and a hangover from beer). So I'm not sure that the analogy to alcohol is helpful to cannabis.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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This argument always pops up as if there aren't a wealth of very successful daily cannabis users.

There are a wealth of very successful alcoholics and cocaine users too. On an average, alcoholism and cocaine dependence still ruins life. Don’t look at the exceptions to define the average.

There are also a wealth of very unsuccessful people who don't partake in drugs or alcohol. These points prove nothing

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I'm struggling with this right now. Using during the day is still an uncommon occurrence, but it's happening more and more.

The real issue I'm having with it is that I'm using pretty much every night. I come from the gym, take a shower, and grab the vape pen and sit on the couch. It just makes me so lazy.

I stopped cooking and just eat pizza and ice cream nearly every night. Thankfully my weight hasn't taken a hit. But it creates this cycle of not cooking, so I don't buy groceries, so I can't cook, so I just order in.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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This line has been reliably trotted out every few years since the 1990s at least: But experts say today’s high-THC cannabis products — vastly different than the joints smoked decades ago — are poisoning some heavy users, including teenagers. The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.…

> The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol Eh, I don't believe that. Especially with weed there is not much to indicate dosage and the addiction is often to tobacco too which motivates people to smoke another joint. It is true that plants got more potent too. At least this is the case in Europe where weed is a bit different than in the US. But I guess the most immediate dang…

Where does tobacco come into it? I don't have to go out of my way to avoid buying weed with tobacco in it, it's simply not even an option available to me.

Also, I find it really obvious when I've gotten more high than usual, and I find it pretty easy to avoid doing that. I can't imagine that's that unusual.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

Yup. The concept in the article shows nothing but ignorance. As far as I know, weed has never produced an actual drug overdose.

This is literally something my cat learned by himself as a kitten. He was a stray, raised without a momcat, and very food insecure when he arrived. When we started feeding him full meals, he'd promptly eat as much as he could and about 10 minutes later barf it all out. He learned to not do that and not eat everything he could find on all plates very quickly.

Any not-completely-stupid person could do the same. Sheesh

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

You nailed it -- that's exactly what makes habitual use of the substance so insidious. Like, why deal with life (which involves risk and rejection, and ick, work ) when you can just blast trippy movies through your head all day? (Fun though these movies can be, for a while).

Wait until you find out how many people blast Netflix through their head for hours a day while stone sober...

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Is this in the US? What state? I've only seen menus in NJ, IL, and most edibles are like 5-10mg per piece and seem to top out at 25mg per piece, but those tend to be big pieces that look like they are meant to be broken apart (like a Hershey bar). I think setting national standards around this would be just one benefit of legalizing recreational use at the federal level.

NY

mmm yeah I've seen those in Washington Square in NYC

We don't have anything that high in California

also edibles are practically a different drug after being processed by the liver, we should study them completely separately

we should have high quality studies for specific use cases, just like corporate designer drugs that go through the FDA

but we currently have... whatever this is.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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post #69

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Why is this topic always brought up regarding weed, but nothing else? Should we make video games illegal because they can cause some people to live a lethargic and less productive life?

It is brought up with other things. Perhaps you are extra sensitive about the weed topic for your own personal reasons. "Video games" is a particularly bad counter example, there's a lot of chatter around video game addictiveness and what it can do to vulnerable minds. There's always been some low-key discussion of it but the increasing prevalence of "loot boxes" and their corresponding mechanics have not just increa…

You are debating a different aspect of video games. The complaint against loot boxes is not that they prevent video game players from reaching their true productive potential. They don't do that. The problem with loot boxes is that they are exploitative.
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