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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by hprotagonist »

You can green out, like notable NYT columnist maureen dowd did, but I don't recommend it. You can also do shots of everclear, but I don't recommend it.

There's trouble when the marketing and availability of legal cannabis in dispensaries is the equivalent to a situation where you go to a liquor store or grocery store and you are only able to buy 80+proof and the attitude is "well, consumers are smart, they'll just water it down at home", and there's probably some of that happening.

That said, I've also seen a recent resurgence in THC/CBD mixed blends being advertised, specifically, like lawnmower beers are -- so certainly there's consumer desire for something that won't make you totally zooted, just kind of relaxed. Low-dose and mixed-dose gummies and edibles also seem very popular: 5mg THC/5mg CBD candies, for example.

Hopefully the market notices.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by michael1999 »

Mo3 wrote: post #15

I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

Concentrated liquor is most definitely a health risk! Drinking a bottle of whiskey can kill you, while it is almost impossible to kill yourself with beer.

Many places tax liquor more than beer, and restrict sales to approved liquor stores while beer and wine are sold broadly.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by Mo3 »

bitxbitxbitcoin wrote: post #23
Mo3 wrote: post #15

I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

Would love to see sources on deaths from unregulated weed. Are we talking the age old boogeyman of laced weed or something else?

You are confusing unregulated weed with laced weed. That's not really a boogeyman now is it, and I'd be the last person to propagate myths to badmouth cannabis lol. Laced weed has indeed become a serious problem in western Europe.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by GordonS »

michael1999 wrote: post #42
Mo3 wrote: post #15

I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

Concentrated liquor is most definitely a health risk! Drinking a bottle of whiskey can kill you, while it is almost impossible to kill yourself with beer. Many places tax liquor more than beer, and restrict sales to approved liquor stores while beer and wine are sold broadly.

Well, yes but most people drink a lesser amount of spirits than they would beer. I for one have never poured myself a pint of vodka, for example!

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by Mo3 »

abxytg wrote: post #36
Mo3 wrote: post #15

I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

Hyperemesis, as the article says, only effects some users. Clearly you are not one. I smoke every day but I can at least finish the article.

Yeah.... I don't smoke every day, so that may be the reason you didn't get my point, anyway I'd bet a lot of money that the "some users" are exactly what I talked about.

I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I am clearly not one of them. I, too, start showing symptoms of hyperemesis if I'm being stupid and smoke way too much, and I have never met or smoked with anyone who was resistant to it and had unlimited tolerance. Sure, there might definitely be a distinction between less and more sensitive to it, but saying "Hyperemesis effects only some users" is like saying only some users get blackout drunk from drinking alcohol.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by undersuit »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #39
photochemsyn wrote: post #19

This line has been reliably trotted out every few years since the 1990s at least: But experts say today’s high-THC cannabis products — vastly different than the joints smoked decades ago — are poisoning some heavy users, including teenagers. The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.…

> The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol Eh, I don't believe that. Especially with weed there is not much to indicate dosage and the addiction is often to tobacco too which motivates people to smoke another joint. It is true that plants got more potent too. At least this is the case in Europe where weed is a bit different than in the US. But I guess the most immediate dang…

I track my cannabis consumption. Every time I buy I record the weight, price, date, and strain info. My daily consumption in grams per day averages out to 1.5g. Yet there are days when I'm consuming 3+ grams, and if you look at my spreadsheet you can see that more often then not those heavy days fall in a row. I'm not having days where I intake more THC, I'm having days where I consume more cannabis than normal from an inferior batch that has a property like low THC, poor growth, or incomplete curing.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by GordonS »

hestefisk wrote: post #28
hestefisk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let alone the mental health risk from permanent THC-induced psychosis.

Downvote? Seriously, hn? It’s a fact that hashish intake can cause psychosis.

It is absolutely not a fact. There are a slew of papers on both sides of the argument, so it's definitely not settled.

People with mental health issues are more likely to use cannabis because it helps them with those issues. And people with mental health issues are of course at higher risk of developing psychosis, so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by GordonS »

caymanjim wrote: post #22

Edibles are a real problem. The potency is completely unpredictable. Even the ones from supposedly-reputable medical providers are inconsistent at best. Some are total duds, some are far too potent for even experienced users. I'm sure some manufacturers are using some amount of science and engineering in an attempt to standardize, but I don't believe any of it is truly pharmaceutical-grade calibrated, or even close.…

I'm a medical user in the UK, which had a highly regulated medical system. Potency of medical-grade THC oils here are completely consistent.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by mikestew »

hestefisk wrote: post #28
hestefisk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let alone the mental health risk from permanent THC-induced psychosis.

Downvote? Seriously, hn? It’s a fact that hashish intake can cause psychosis.

Saying it twice doesn't make it true. Just one URI, that's all anyone asks.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by hericium »

d82nsjk9 wrote: post #26
hericium wrote: post #3

Those high concentration THC extracts cause huge serotonin spikes. I'm on medicinal 19% THC flowers (190mg daily) and I'm doing my best to make it "extended release"[1] by baking edibles[2] instead of taking huge bong hits. Daily irritation of the reward system is a no-no. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_release [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29902972

How did you switch from smoking to edibles? Or was it easy for you?

Haven't switched completely but limited it greatly around the time I quit cigarettes (not nicotine) few years ago.
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