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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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The full title is "Teens Are Getting Sick From Products With High THC Levels", and NOT "weed" as the HN title uses. Eg:

> This was not your average weed. The oil and waxes she bought from dealers were typically about 90 percent THC, the psychoactive component in marijuana.

referred to later as "THC concentrates".

BTW, the authorities have been saying for decades that level of THC in weed is much higher than it used to be, I believe as a way to convince older adults that their personal experience with cannabis is not trustworthy.

For example, "Many people who have voted for legalization thought they were talking about the marijuana of the 1960s to 1980s when the THC content was less than 2%." from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6312155/ .

But as https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/was-m... points out, "incomplete government data encourages a pervasive pot myth." ... "it's difficult if not impossible to classify average potency in a way that can be tracked meaningfully over time. So while there's almost certainly more super-strong pot available today—if only by the fact that it's now legal to buy in multiple states—it doesn't mean that all marijuana is ultra-potent today, which is how the narrative about potency is often framed."

> But there is little evidence to suggest these specific levels are somehow safer.

Likely because of the illegality of carrying out those tests.

> A recent study found that people who used marijuana had a greater likelihood of suicidal ideation, plan and attempt than those who did not use the drug at all.

As the underlying paper at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... points out, "Future research is needed to examine the increase in suicidality and to determine whether it is cannabis use or overlapping risk factors that increase risks for both.".

Eg, people experiencing suicidal ideation could be self-medicating with marijuana, and w/o that option would self-medicate with alcohol and have a higher risk of suicide.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Despite this, high-concentration cannabis is a huge public health risk. The deleterious effects from smoking comes from inhaling the smoldering organic compounds in dried plant material. That health impact scales with the volume of smoke inhaled. If you increase the concentration of THC, users can achieve equivalent levels of intoxication with substantially less smoke inhalation. 30 years ago, THC concentrations were…

Let alone the mental health risk from permanent THC-induced psychosis.

No post body was provided.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

Would love to see sources on deaths from unregulated weed in Europe. Are we talking the age old boogeyman of laced weed or something else?

Also, exotic strains you the average user has never heard about is a function of a growing market. A proper cannasseur would know where the strains (cultivars) are from - who bred them, what their lineage is, how they were grown, how long they were cured (not fermented), etc.

Completely agree with your point though that out of hundreds of strains that I have tried, nil have a “making sick” property by default. It only arises when users incorrectly scope the risk.

If anyone reading this experiences cannabis hyperemesis syndrome, stuff like fresh air, chewing peppercorns, or a dose of CBD sublingually can help.

Very curious to hear more about the adulterated, unregulated, non coffee shop world over there! Thanks for your comment.

Source - Recently Certified Ganjier.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

I live in Colorado and they limit edibles to 10mg per piece/100mg per pack max. 150mg for a single gummy is a bit nuts though. As someone who smokes a good amount of weed, my recommendation to people it to always stick to just flower. I've tried it all, vaping, vaporizers (different than vaping, you're superheating flower rather than using an extract), edibles, and regular pot. From my personal experience, edibles la…

I always recommend vaping dry herb with vaporizers over smoking because you avoid most of the negative health effects of combustion. Obviously inhaling hot air is probably not good for your throat and tongue.

I don't think it's very good for the lungs either.

And getting it directly from the flower means that I can cut it with high CBD flower depending on what experience I'm looking for.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

I live in Colorado and they limit edibles to 10mg per piece/100mg per pack max. 150mg for a single gummy is a bit nuts though. As someone who smokes a good amount of weed, my recommendation to people it to always stick to just flower. I've tried it all, vaping, vaporizers (different than vaping, you're superheating flower rather than using an extract), edibles, and regular pot. From my personal experience, edibles la…

Smoking flower has a bigger entourage effect than hitting a vape because whatever in the vape is a concentrated, processed version of the flower which has lost some cannabinoid or terpene content in the process.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I live in the Netherlands where there is a "coffeeshop" culture, with some of these coffeeshops having a connaisseur-like focus - as in, they sometimes even offer extremely exotic strains that you've never heard about and aren't even on Leafly etc yet, sourced from god knows where 10000 miles away, and then carefully and passionately grown and cured - and I can 100% guarantee you that people are not necessarily getti…

Hyperemesis, as the article says, only effects some users. Clearly you are not one. I smoke every day but I can at least finish the article.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

> He'd say that people can always cut them in half People who want a stronger buzz could always just take two..

The issue then becomes getting diabetes before getting high due to the crazy amounts of sugar in these edibles.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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I know a cannabis entrepreneur who makes high-quality gummies standardized to 150 mg THC which is, I think, too much. As a cannabis experienced user I find these make me feel hosed for six hours or so. It may or may not be a good time, but I'm certainly not going to do more than lay on my ass. If I take half of one of those (75 mg) it is a strong intoxication, pretty consistently a good time, and I can go for a walk,…

Is this in the US? What state? I've only seen menus in NJ, IL, and most edibles are like 5-10mg per piece and seem to top out at 25mg per piece, but those tend to be big pieces that look like they are meant to be broken apart (like a Hershey bar). I think setting national standards around this would be just one benefit of legalizing recreational use at the federal level.

You can get gummies like this in IL, but just not from the dispensaries. Plenty of people make the drive from Michigan to sell to their friends here.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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This line has been reliably trotted out every few years since the 1990s at least: But experts say today’s high-THC cannabis products — vastly different than the joints smoked decades ago — are poisoning some heavy users, including teenagers. The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol - drinking one liter of beer, everyone knows, is not the same as drinking one liter of vodka.…

> The issue is that people adjust their consumption accordingly, just as with alcohol

Eh, I don't believe that. Especially with weed there is not much to indicate dosage and the addiction is often to tobacco too which motivates people to smoke another joint. It is true that plants got more potent too. At least this is the case in Europe where weed is a bit different than in the US.

But I guess the most immediate danger is that drugs are increasingly being laced with other stuff.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let alone the mental health risk from permanent THC-induced psychosis.

Downvote? Seriously, hn? It’s a fact that hashish intake can cause psychosis.

You have any legitimate studies on this or are you just regurgitating 70 year old "reefer madness" propaganda?
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