Live data from Hacker News

Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com

11–20 of 162 posts

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

#11
It's difficult to wage an information war with gangsters. The ones who get to the top by killing and torturing are not likely to be threatened by having a few emails released. All the shit runs downhill to the relatively innocent civilians being extorted by the gangsters.

If knowledge of who the crime bosses are was enough to take them down, they would not exist in the first place. Organized crime does not require secrecy to operate when the police are corrupted.

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

#12

This whole op was fishy from the get-go. For one, the person speaking in the original video had a mainland Spanish accent but used Mexican vocabulary. Two, no anons within Mexico spoke out in support of the op. Three, nobody was able to verify the claim that an anon was kidnapped in the first place. Four, nobody could figure out where this op was discussed or planned. It came out of the blue without any previous invo…

Just to point out, many videos released by Annon in spanish are made using a well known text-to-speech voice from Loquendo, "Jorge", who has a Castilian Spanish accent.

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

#15
I wonder if Anonymous was tipped off about Los Zetas tracking them, and if that played into their decision. Recently there was a video of Los Zetas members chainsawing the head off of an opposing gang member...which was promoted heavily on channels Anonymous frequents. That could have effected their decision as well.

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

#16

This whole op was fishy from the get-go. For one, the person speaking in the original video had a mainland Spanish accent but used Mexican vocabulary. Two, no anons within Mexico spoke out in support of the op. Three, nobody was able to verify the claim that an anon was kidnapped in the first place. Four, nobody could figure out where this op was discussed or planned. It came out of the blue without any previous invo…

How do we know this op was announced by the "real" Anonymous? How long until the CIA is posing as Anonymous to incite rebellion in other countries (and/or make Anonymous look bad)?

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

#17

This whole op was fishy from the get-go. For one, the person speaking in the original video had a mainland Spanish accent but used Mexican vocabulary. Two, no anons within Mexico spoke out in support of the op. Three, nobody was able to verify the claim that an anon was kidnapped in the first place. Four, nobody could figure out where this op was discussed or planned. It came out of the blue without any previous invo…

How do we know this op was announced by the "real" Anonymous? How long until the CIA is posing as Anonymous to incite rebellion in other countries (and/or make Anonymous look bad)?

I think that's severely overestimating the power of Anonymous. The CIA has tried, tested, and true methods for inciting rebellions and coups; no need to invoke Anon. As for making Anonymous look bad... maybe. I find it hard to believe they view anon as a legitimate threat, but NATO did call out anon specifically in one of its reports on growing threats, so who knows.

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

#19

It's difficult to wage an information war with gangsters. The ones who get to the top by killing and torturing are not likely to be threatened by having a few emails released. All the shit runs downhill to the relatively innocent civilians being extorted by the gangsters. If knowledge of who the crime bosses are was enough to take them down, they would not exist in the first place. Organized crime does not require se…

Yes, and actually the police need not be corrupt. Organized crime leaders can be in the public eye and unless there is evidence against them, they cannot be penalized by the legal system.

Re: Anonymous Cancels Operation Cartel as Los Zetas Track Hacktivists

#20

It's difficult to wage an information war with gangsters. The ones who get to the top by killing and torturing are not likely to be threatened by having a few emails released. All the shit runs downhill to the relatively innocent civilians being extorted by the gangsters. If knowledge of who the crime bosses are was enough to take them down, they would not exist in the first place. Organized crime does not require se…

The only way to fight criminals at a scale where they threaten the state is through intelligence and military techniques, not law enforcement.

Find them, build up decent evidence, kill them; don't try to prosecute. The risk is turning into a star chamber or right wing paramilitary, but I would trust the professionalism and morality of an organization like the us military to resist that. Plan Colombia worked out ok, compared to Peru vs shining path, for instance.

Post reply on HN