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Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by golergka »

phailhaus wrote: post #17
robmerki wrote: post #3

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I started interviewing people (across multiple different cities) for a new book I'm writing, and I'm shocked at how out of touch journalism has become. I expected progressive / left leaning answers from late 20s/early 30s people. On issues like healthcare/marijuana the answers were what I expected. On issues of dating/love/gender roles, I found a far more traditional response from both men and women (including severa…

> A common answer I received was: "I love the push for equal opportunities for men and women, but I desire [traditional gender role] and I dislike having to justify it to myself." I always found this interesting. Do they think that it's not an option anymore? That's like saying "look, I get that left-handed people should have equal opportunities, but I'm right handed." Why is the option of something else treated as a…

Oh may be they have felt societal pressure not to follow this traditional gender role?

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by 7speter »

anonporridge wrote: post #23
ttymck wrote: post #12

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> the same tiny, tiny world Manhattan? To be fair, probably Brooklyn, too, in recent years.

I've recently become friends with someone originally from the west coast, but spent a good part of his early adult life in New York. He has a shockingly large Twitter following for no obvious reason (e.g. hasn't done anything particularly interesting) and definitely lives in an obscure inner world. I increasingly believe that the media landscape is overwhelmingly influenced by bored, yuppy, trustifarian, white New Yo…

Hasn’t this been the case to some degree for decades? Maybe journalists at big national publications, and now those are what’s pretty much left

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by esrauch »

robmerki wrote: post #28
anonporridge wrote: post #22

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"To the privileged, equality feels like oppression."

This is a low effort "gotcha" way of dismissing the real feelings of humans who are struggling to reconcile their deeply held desires with what they perceive in media.

This seems like a weird case though, because you don't need to look far at all to find "traditional" family structures in media, almost all depictions of stay at home moms is positive, with tons of media depicting stay at home mom as the "toughest job".

It seems possible that that condition is backlash against representation, and that people do get real feelings of struggle in response to their preferred lifestyle not being the only one depicted anymore. Feelings can be real and philosophically problematic, and even contrary to ones consciously held beliefs.

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by phailhaus »

dionidium wrote: post #26
phailhaus wrote: post #17

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> A common answer I received was: "I love the push for equal opportunities for men and women, but I desire [traditional gender role] and I dislike having to justify it to myself." I always found this interesting. Do they think that it's not an option anymore? That's like saying "look, I get that left-handed people should have equal opportunities, but I'm right handed." Why is the option of something else treated as a…

I have to say, I find this sentiment confusing and unimaginative. Progressives never stop talking about all the subtle impediments to progress felt by marginalized groups -- microaggressions, stereotype threat, not seeing people who look like you in positions of power, what it's like to hold beliefs not shared by the dominant culture, etc, etc. But then they express disbelief when a member of a group they've deemed t…

> "We're not saying your choices are bad, we're just saying over and over and over again that the other choices are good."

I think if anyone is being honest with themselves, this is not a threat. "Traditional choices" are still strongly represented in popular (liberal) media as the implicit default, and is still by far the "social default." Nobody gets ostracized for becoming a stay-at-home mom, and the breadwinner dad never has to explain themselves. I think we should be asking who is peddling the narrative that this is a "plot" to destroy their identity, and who gains. It is extremely effective at creating political unity.

It is hard to argue that "progressive media has gone too far", when the Texas GOP literally just declared homosexuality as abnormal as a part of their official platform. Traditionalism still rules.

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by mcphage »

dionidium wrote: post #26
phailhaus wrote: post #17

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> A common answer I received was: "I love the push for equal opportunities for men and women, but I desire [traditional gender role] and I dislike having to justify it to myself." I always found this interesting. Do they think that it's not an option anymore? That's like saying "look, I get that left-handed people should have equal opportunities, but I'm right handed." Why is the option of something else treated as a…

I have to say, I find this sentiment confusing and unimaginative. Progressives never stop talking about all the subtle impediments to progress felt by marginalized groups -- microaggressions, stereotype threat, not seeing people who look like you in positions of power, what it's like to hold beliefs not shared by the dominant culture, etc, etc. But then they express disbelief when a member of a group they've deemed t…

> but when every commercial depicts dads as bumbling idiots and family life as chaotic and undesirable [0], suddenly there are no conceivable implications?

“Dads are numbing idiots” and “family life is chaotic and undesirable” are not progressive messages at all in any way, shape, or form. I agree with you, they’re terrible, and I hate them. But I think they’re the last remnants of Al Bundy era baby boomer “I hate my wife and my kids” messaging.

For an actual progressive take on dads and family life, check out the kids show Bluey.

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by glenngillen »

mcphage wrote: post #35
dionidium wrote: post #26

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I have to say, I find this sentiment confusing and unimaginative. Progressives never stop talking about all the subtle impediments to progress felt by marginalized groups -- microaggressions, stereotype threat, not seeing people who look like you in positions of power, what it's like to hold beliefs not shared by the dominant culture, etc, etc. But then they express disbelief when a member of a group they've deemed t…

> but when every commercial depicts dads as bumbling idiots and family life as chaotic and undesirable [0], suddenly there are no conceivable implications? “Dads are numbing idiots” and “family life is chaotic and undesirable” are not progressive messages at all in any way, shape, or form. I agree with you, they’re terrible, and I hate them. But I think they’re the last remnants of Al Bundy era baby boomer “I hate my…

Bluey was criticised for the exact same tropes. That the dad was the fun idiot who was incapable of doing basic organisational things like packing towels to go swimming.

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by abathur »

robmerki wrote: post #10
bombcar wrote: post #8

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My new game is watching when something online doesn’t interview people directly but simply reports on what someone on Twitter or Reddit said (and half the time they do have a picture and a name it’s a Twitter user they contacted). The world outside the internet is getting wider and wider it seems.

Good observation. It's the purest form of intellectual laziness.

This is a low effort "gotcha" way of dismissing the work of real humans who are struggling to meet newsroom deadlines and productivity schedules as their industry gets picked over by vulture capital in the wake of online news, craigslist/social/app classifieds, and social/search ads hoovering up most of their revenue streams.

(I agree these are cheap, fluff news--but it's hard to judge most individual reporters when you know the ground financial truth of the industry. Even at pretty venerable publications people are having to hustle hard for salaries that few people with programming jobs in the same city would even entertain. People at smaller legacy news outlets are working for schoolteacher wages or worse without the benefits or job security.)

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by dls2016 »

ttymck wrote: post #12
spicyusername wrote: post #2

Sometimes, when I'm reading random articles (like this one), I'm struck with the feeling that most journalists inhabit the same tiny, tiny world. There are definitely some laughs to be found skimming @drils Twitter, though.

> the same tiny, tiny world Manhattan? To be fair, probably Brooklyn, too, in recent years.

Columbia Journalism School… my perception is that it’s like Stanford in the startup world. (But I’ve never been to either.)

Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by ham-sandwich »

leephillips wrote: post #15
spoonjim wrote: post #14

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I can tell you that most people do not believe that trans X are “ACTUALLY X” or that transgender women should be in competitive womens sports. It’s like, OK, you want to be a woman, you do you but don’t get into my women-only spaces. But most people with influence regardless of their beliefs don’t really say this in public.

I’ve never met a single person in real life who believes this (TWAW, etc.). But places like Twitter are foaming with accounts that at least perform these beliefs.

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Re: The Cracked Wisdom of Dril

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Post by mcphage »

glenngillen wrote: post #36
mcphage wrote: post #35

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> but when every commercial depicts dads as bumbling idiots and family life as chaotic and undesirable [0], suddenly there are no conceivable implications? “Dads are numbing idiots” and “family life is chaotic and undesirable” are not progressive messages at all in any way, shape, or form. I agree with you, they’re terrible, and I hate them. But I think they’re the last remnants of Al Bundy era baby boomer “I hate my…

Bluey was criticised for the exact same tropes. That the dad was the fun idiot who was incapable of doing basic organisational things like packing towels to go swimming.

> That the dad was the fun idiot who was incapable of doing basic organisational things like packing towels to go swimming.

That had to be written by either someone who only saw a single episode—or is performing such an incredible misreading of the show that I’d expect if they read “A Modest Proposal”, they’d wonder what spices Jonathan Swift used on his babies.

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