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Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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The more senior you are, the more responsibility you have. Responsibility doesn’t keep office hours. The CEO and other senior executives cannot say to shareholders that they had a bad day, were sick, wanted to spend more time with their family and expect that shareholders won’t look for someone who they perceive can work harder for them.

You've articulated the problem well: placing shareholder value above all else is at the root of what ails corporate America. Other values need a seat at the table, not just scraps from the shareholders.

I don’t know what the right balance is, but it is worth noting that institutional investors (incl. pension funds, insurance funds, ETFs, etc.), hold 80% of equity.

So, broadly speaking, if you’re a worker, you very very likely have a stake in companies generally being profitable.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/financial-theory/11/in...

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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I wouldn't want my bosses job. I don't think it pays all that much more than mine but it requires a lot of days full of meetings and late nights. I may even do better on a hourly basis. I think some people get wrapped up in the headline salary number (XXX,XXX per year, that's a lot of money!) and never break it down into a hourly number to see if it's actually a better deal.

It's funny how fast and profoundly "perspective" will hit you. When I was a young programmer I always dreamed of that promotion and comp adjustment. Constantly looking for that next step. That's not inherently bad, per se, but once you reach a particular place you come to find out what the commensurate responsibility looks like. Sometimes -- dare I say, often? -- it's just not fun. That's what they pay you for, thoug…

Being more successful younger makes it easier to handle financial responsibilities later.

Partying when you are young isn't something always looked back on fondly. Fun is good now and in future expectation.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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I wouldn't want my bosses job. I don't think it pays all that much more than mine but it requires a lot of days full of meetings and late nights. I may even do better on a hourly basis. I think some people get wrapped up in the headline salary number (XXX,XXX per year, that's a lot of money!) and never break it down into a hourly number to see if it's actually a better deal.

100%. In big tech, as you get more senior, the job becomes miserable. I wouldn’t want to be a Director, or even a Senior Staff engineer. At a certain point you sacrifice your sanity to be in that many meetings.

Unless have strong social anxiety and can't habdle being around people, meetings are much better than coding on something that will never work because the meetings people are making terrible decisions.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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100%. In big tech, as you get more senior, the job becomes miserable. I wouldn’t want to be a Director, or even a Senior Staff engineer. At a certain point you sacrifice your sanity to be in that many meetings.

I spent some time in middle management (first as a lead, then as a manager of a small team of devs) and I refuse to do that again. You're 100% right, as you move up, it gets more miserable. As a lead, I was constantly doing adult daycare and counseling for the developers. At the same time, upper management was constantly breathing down my back to improve my teams analytics and performance - regardless of how well the…

Being a line engineer can also have bad micromanagement and bad priorities, while also paying less.

It's funny to say you don't like "constantly doing adult daycare" and conclude that it is better to be the one being adult daycares for instead.

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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Sooner or later they will leave the labor market for good though, because dead people cannot work.

Indeed, 1.8 million people over 55 die every year in the US.

And there are 3.6 million new births every year in the USA.. where does that leave us?

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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Indeed, 1.8 million people over 55 die every year in the US.

And there are 3.6 million new births every year in the USA.. where does that leave us?

https://populationeducation.org/resource/u-s-population-pyra...

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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There isn't a tax bracket in the US where most of any income goes to taxes. There should be though!

In California the top marginal tax rate can be over 50%. 37% federal tax, 12% state tax, 3.8% net investment tax.

That's on income over ~$500K AGI (which after deducting 401(k) )

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

#118

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And there are 3.6 million new births every year in the USA.. where does that leave us?

https://populationeducation.org/resource/u-s-population-pyra...

Hey tmtd! Looks like our best bet might be to "hopefully" start hiring infants and young children into the workforce to make up for the attrition.

Heaven help us :)

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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So in California we were losing about half of our money to taxes, its always fun to make estimated tax payments when you received your quarterly RSUs(~40% of the RSU money goes to taxes when you get them) and then with the rest putting half of that towards a quarterly tax payment, we left the state to avoid the stranglehold of taxes and will probably go to 1 income as two high earners just isn't worth it, but if you…

I'm not sure about tech salaries, but based on several surveys, it would appear that effective tax rate for most workers is about the same between european countries and united states. They just spend less on defense, and more on social programs (although some countries have very recently increased defense spending). California taxes are extremely high though, I agree.

>They just spend less on defense

Because the US takes up the slack. Something we need to seriously STOP doing :p

Re: Even your boss wants to quit

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How do you find a job at a lower level? I was trying to do this and no one would hire me. I guess I could lie about my experience.

I stepped back from a lead to a senior dev this year. I was open about it to recruiters, saying my intent was to get back into being an IC. No one was even slightly put off by my resume or career direction. I'm not sure what "no one would hire me" means, precisely, but I didn't have an easy time – it took many months and near 100 applications to find the right spot.

Yeah, BUT its the easiest job market in IT history to get hired right now ..
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