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Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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post #172

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https://www.chorus.co.nz/tools-support/broadband-tools/broad... New Zealand has fibre to the home for the majority of a country the side of the eastern seaboard of the US, with only 5 million people, and a lower per-capita GDP. It's doable. It's just a question of wanting to.

Its just not as efficient, you can deliver similar classes of service by HFC networks.

I was initially a skeptic of the cost of Fibre-To-The-Premises, but in hindsight for New Zealand (≈Oregon) I think a national rollout of fibre was very effective[3][4].

AFAIK fibre is more resilient to catastrophes (like earthquakes[1][2] in Christchurch or California), and having a high speed residential fibre network definitely helped during Covid.

I am uncertain what you mean by “efficient”. Perhaps link to something that backs up your opinion?

[1] https://az659834.vo.msecnd.net/eventsaircancprod/production-...

[2] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sonia-Giovinazzi-2/publ...

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29791864

[4] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25339491

Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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The fiber is much cheaper because it's so much more common. For example: I/O fiber is about 0.10 cents a foot or less for 2 fiber cable. (12 fiber is only 20 cents a foot). OSP gel-filled direct burial is 0.55 cents a foot or less for 2 fiber cable. (12 fiber is only 65 cents). This is micro-armored OSP cable, resistant to chewing/damage as well. Basic 18 awg single pair shielded direct burial wire is about 0.80 cent…

Aren't you off by a factor of 100? Maybe dollars per foot, not cents per foot?

I pay about $350 per kilometer for 24 count flat all dielectric G.657A1 fibre with 2 x 2.0mm fibreglass strength members. Add about $100 for shipping from overseas.

Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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post #35

What’s the best way to do this underwater? I need to go across a lake about 1km.

You'd use some standard tether cable, Blue Robotics sell good stuff for that. https://bluerobotics.com/store/cables-connectors/cables/fath... Then just straight onto the screw terminals.

I need it to be on the bottom if the lake. Trying to keep fisherman from snagging it too

Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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post #44
post #35

What’s the best way to do this underwater? I need to go across a lake about 1km.

You might be better off with directional wifi antennas if appropriate for your application.

House in the way. Although I could blast high power through my neighbor’s bedroom, it feels rude.

Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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post #166
post #37

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DSL and 10BASE-T1L are not quote the same. 10BASE-T1L PHY fits on a single chip, without much of analog trickery, and the whole line encoding, signal processing is much simpler. 10BASE-T1L is what will go into 1 dollar devices, not a $100 modem.

> 10BASE-T1L is what will go into 1 dollar devices, not a $100 modem. Which is why this $150 media converter product feels bit baffling tbh.

It's a low volume product. If there were a 100k produced the cost would be substantially lower. Not that many people need 1.6km 10Mbps connections, and many of those that do need a 1.6km connection will want more than 10Mbps.

Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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post #61

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Nitpick, I don't think you're going to just run bare fiber outdoors, not even indoors. You would need to first run your own ducting/conduit and then have the equipment to pressure force the raw line through the shielding. So, much more expensive. But you can get outdoor rated cable with moisture absorbing gel for not too much I believe (struggling to find a price). Some even come with wire-mesh already attached in th…

what does 'pressure force the raw line through the shielding' means ?

Blowing the fibre or cable with compressed air through the empty 'speed pipes'.

As in one end of the fibre is connected to some sort of plug, while the rest is on a spool, the plug is then inserted into a narrow pipe, and pushed through it by pressure.

Pick any: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=blown+fibre+ins...

Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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post #131

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Al Gore never claimed that, btw, but he did recognize its importance and provided political support, even Vint Cerf said so: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/internet-of-lies/

there is an entire multiverse fan fic where Al Gore won the presidential election and we're all living in a post-scarcity society.

I want to live there.

My jar of mayo costed $5.50 with tax yesterday.

Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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post #41

Some questions: 1. Would you need two of them at a $430 cost for this? 2. If so would the person be much better with alternative solutions like fixed wireless or Ethernet-VDSL2 conversion that would deliver much better performance at this price point?

Further more, why would someone choose this over $59.69 a pair fiber ether net media converter, up to 20KM, 1000Mbps from TP-LINK? There are most likely cheaper options from other vendors. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001435649462.html

Don't forget the SFP's you need as well.

Re: 10mbps over 1km on a single pair of wires

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The tariff in my locality allowed for dry copper pairs to be installed ("burglar alarm circuits") and some of my Customers took advantage of that along w/ PairGain devices to get high speed links between sites serviced out of the same central office. Relevant article: http://helices.org/commentary/dry_copper_pair.html

I can't tell exactly from a quick scan of Cringeley's commentary... but I get the impression that a "dry copper pair" the single-pair POTS equivalent of "dark fiber"... with the critical caveat that a dry copper pair can link two points only if they are serviced by the same central telephone company switch.

A leased loop is any arrangement where a customer pays the telco for a dedicated loop for continuous use. A dry loop is a type of leased loop that isn't connected to any telco equipment, just spliced together to create a continuous circuit (a typical or 'wet' leased loop has at least battery and sometimes dial tone from the telephone switch). It's perfectly possible to get a leased line that spans telco offices, in which case your loop has to be spliced to an interoffice or toll lead (long distance line). In the days before heavy use of multiplexing, toll leads were scarce and so interoffice leased lines were extremely expensive.

Dry loops were often sold as burglar alarm circuits because one of the most common uses was for burglar alarm communicators that often operated on polarity reversal - meaning that they applied a potential to the pair and just swapped its polarity when an alarm condition occurred. Of course there were more sophisticated burglar alarm communicators at the time that used telegraphy techniques, but these usually ran on private networks since they could share a bus in a way that was not typical of telco infrastructure (most of these were basically Gamewell systems even if not made by Gamewell proper). In the early days of burglar alarm monitoring, if the monitoring service didn't have a private network (typical in urban areas) they usually installed their monitoring equipment or a multiplexing system at each telephone exchange in the covered area, allowing for more economical dry loops within a single office. Actually this pattern continued well into the '90s with some burglar alarm services using DSL-like high-frequency digital communicators that interacted with a monitoring system that had to be connected to the line card at the telephone exchange.

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