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A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#81

> As of April 2022, over 134,000 loss prevention officers — many of them white men — were employed in the U.S. What is the purpose of mentioning the "white men" part?

I think you know why given Input's political leaning...

It's intersectional dog whistle.

A more bizarre matter is why the heck would reddit host subs dedicated to shoplifting tactics... although I'm just half surprised, given the kind of depraved porn communities reddit welcomes...

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#82
post #26

>“That’s a huge adrenaline rush,” he says. “I think that’s a major factor in why people are in this field.” This should be a huge red flag that should preclude someone from working in the industry. As Dan says later in the article: >“They’re more concerned with punishing and catching, and they see asset protection as a game,” adds Dan, who requested that Input give him an alias. “I don’t think it’s healthy to have th…

It might be a red flag. But that can't be some roadblock to entering the industry. People get into careers for all sorts of reasons. A paycheck. The thrill of succeeding at their job. The thrill of being the best in the business. You can't just exclude those people from that career and focus on people "the goals of the business". Personal goals are better drivers to excellence than business goals.

The problem is when their personal goals conflict with both the business's and society's goals. Think of it like a manager who announces "I love bossing people around, that is why I'm in the industry." Sure, that is part of the job, a person in that role shouldn't have an issue with it, but someone who says that is the reason they are doing the job is directly telling you they are unfit for the job.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#83
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but they have food in the cities they decide to camp in, which are selected due to weather, social services (e.g. calling Seattle as "Freattle"), and lax enforcement of camping rules.

I see the exact opposite of these claims.

You mean, homeless people choose to shelter in cities with bad weather, poor social services, and places where the police aggressively crack down on encampments?

I once took a greyhound bus across country. From Mississippi all the way to LA, the bus would stop at each prison, pick people up..they were all going to one place (LA), many of them for the first time. They had nowhere else to go, an open bus ticket, and knowledge that they could survive in LA.

These days, Portland and Seattle are increasingly popular places, not just sunny California.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#84

> As of April 2022, over 134,000 loss prevention officers — many of them white men — were employed in the U.S. What is the purpose of mentioning the "white men" part?

I was a little confused by it as well and thought maybe they would go to imply there are racial injustices later in the article but I didn't really see that.

Loss Prevention Demographics - https://www.zippia.com/loss-prevention-officer-jobs/demograp... 70% White, 13.7% Hispanic, 8.4% Black

US Demographics - 57.8% White, 18.7% Hispanic, 12.1% Black

It's a poor choice of words.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#85
post #2

Article kind of bums me out. One loss prevention officer says: > He finds the environment of loss prevention thrilling and takes pride in the training he’s received to track down and apprehend shoplifters. “That’s a huge adrenaline rush,” he says. “I think that’s a major factor in why people are in this field.” But also says: > “I don’t do this because I think shoplifting is wrong,” he says. “If I’m perfectly honest,…

Keep in mind the people who will actively post on that subreddit are the people who view loss prevention as something more than just a day job, so I wouldn't view it as representative of the profession. And like every subreddit, it's safe to assume it's 90% fiction and content written to maximize outrage

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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post #22
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that for some people, a lifetime of watching morally bankrupt corporations post record profits while your wages remains stagnant (made even more painful by inflation) can make it easy to fall in to the "If they can do it why can't I" trap.

Corporations have been looting america for decades but everyone gets their panties in a bunch when one of their victims loots one of the corporate stores so they can survive

Corporations don't care that much: they can just pass the costs on to us, so we are the ones who are ultimately being looted.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#87
post #7

The article strangely seems like it's framing the entire industry/profession of loss prevention in a negative light. Hopefully everyone realizes the more retail theft a store experiences, the higher prices become for those of us who pay... and the more likely a store is to shut down if theft becomes too prevalent. I'm not here defending a subreddit I've never visited but in general, those in the loss prevention indus…

I have two stories around most policies.

My nephew works at home depot. He stepped in front of a shoplifters cart, and they demoted him.

I was picking up something at an Apple store in the mall. An Apple employee is helping me with some questions on adapters. A guy walks in right next to us and proceeds to start taking stuff and stuffing it in his shirt. I asked the Apple employee what is he going to do. He said nothing, it is store policy to not to get involved.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#88

I'm historically a very liberal San Francisco resident. But I'm finding it really hard to understand the amount of shoplifting going on at my local Walgreens (Mission and 30th). I visit the Walgreens about once a week mostly for diapers and covid test kits. I go at various times of day. About 1 in 4 times I'm there I've witnessed shoplifting. Mostly groups of teens and, in my uninformed assessment, not struggling fin…

> not struggling financially.

well if they fence stolen goods, then it's pure profit. They aren't shoplifting because they are in need for diapers, as you mentioned. They fence it on ebay, which makes ebay an co accessory to theft, but hey, they're just "a platform"...

And since many cities like San Fransisco have(or had) DA that don't prosecute theft under a certain amount because "critical theory", zero risks...

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#89

I'm historically a very liberal San Francisco resident. But I'm finding it really hard to understand the amount of shoplifting going on at my local Walgreens (Mission and 30th). I visit the Walgreens about once a week mostly for diapers and covid test kits. I go at various times of day. About 1 in 4 times I'm there I've witnessed shoplifting. Mostly groups of teens and, in my uninformed assessment, not struggling fin…

>They seem to be doing it for the thrill. Like a sport.

I will admit that I sometimes steal candy/snacks from convenience stores for this exact reason. There is a very real thrill involved in getting away with something, and I've (mostly jokingly) considered going to SF just to steal things from convenience stores.

It really seems like a no brainer why this is happening more often. If, as a child, your parents said "we are no longer going to punish you for doing the thing that we told you not to do," wouldn't you start doing that thing more again? I get that wealth inequality is bad and I get that our criminal justice system can be horrific, but so many people seem to automatically assume that all this theft is only people stealing to feed/clothe/house themselves and/or their children. Has no one else ever just stolen stuff for the fun of it?

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

#90
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What country are /you/ talking about? In my city, there are homeless people living in tents under every overpass, in every empty lot, parking lots, tennis courts, in broken down cars, etc. You think these people have trust funds?

You are actually proving their point by noting the plethora of homeless people who are surviving

"surviving" in slums of filth and crime while likely costing taxpayers more than homing them would (not to mention the high prevalence of mental illness among the homeless)

it's just outright idiotic policy to accept the current state of homelessness in many major cities, it's inhumane AND expensive

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