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Remember, if you see someone stealing food, no you didn't. Shoplifting is a systemic issue, hiring rent-a-cops to crack down on poor people is looking at the problem from the wrong end. Challenge the elites. Build a better system.
> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?
Copying my other comment here. There definitely is a moral issue >busting people who are shoplifting items that they either need to survive or items that they can sell to survive to say, pay rent, because our capitalist system has shit on them and left them with no options Property rights should not be above human life. Full stop.
I've been dirt poor, I've been homeless, I've been alone in a foreign country with no one to turn to, I've lived in such shit places that my neighbour got shot down with an AK not 100 meters from my doorstep ... in Europe. I still didn't steal.
There are systemic issues which keep people down, that doesn't excuse immoral and illegal behaviour. I've known a lot of criminals, they're by and large scumbags, not some modern robinhoods stealing for the sake of their family because of capitalism.
> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?
> Although McLeod enjoys his job, he knows it’s one that’s frowned upon by many. “A lot of people see that a homeless person got arrested for stealing a candy bar. They’re hungry, right?” he says. “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’”
I still think this is a perfectly moral (and important!) job. And it's the role of our justice system to define what punishments should be when folks are caught. But the context of the quote does change when you see he was talking about a situation where a homeless person takes a single candy bar. The "man steals a loaf of bread to feed his starving family" thing is a pretty classic ethical dilemma.
I understand that Walgreens have closed at least 10 stores in San Francisco in a couple of years due to "Organized Retail Crime"
It's really interesting to me at how sensitive Americans (in particular) seem to be when it comes to property damage or theft while being completely uncaring when it comes to people starving, getting bombed, getting shot, living with violence, being literally killed by our health care system (eg insulin), dying in the streets or people being denied life-chaning or life-saving medical care. I don't support stealing bu…
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What country are we talking about. In the US nobody needs to steal to survive. The homeless don't even need to steal to survive.
What country are /you/ talking about? In my city, there are homeless people living in tents under every overpass, in every empty lot, parking lots, tennis courts, in broken down cars, etc. You think these people have trust funds?
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Who expects that? Don't most retailers explicitly tell their employees not to try to stop shoplifters?
Yes, indeed they do put that in writing in their employee documentation, for their legal protection, and then the actual floor managers tell them to do the opposite verbally.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/work/costs/workers-compensation-...
The article strangely seems like it's framing the entire industry/profession of loss prevention in a negative light. Hopefully everyone realizes the more retail theft a store experiences, the higher prices become for those of us who pay... and the more likely a store is to shut down if theft becomes too prevalent. I'm not here defending a subreddit I've never visited but in general, those in the loss prevention indus…
I see folks making the argument, "property rights should not be above human life," and I get it, but grocery stores are not charities. Problems should be solved with real solutions rather than sacrificing businesses who are not equipped to solve the problem. In other words, if “property rights should not be above human life” then cities should provide for those lives through taxes and meal programs rather than letting random businesses be targets.
It's really interesting to me at how sensitive Americans (in particular) seem to be when it comes to property damage or theft while being completely uncaring when it comes to people starving, getting bombed, getting shot, living with violence, being literally killed by our health care system (eg insulin), dying in the streets or people being denied life-chaning or life-saving medical care. I don't support stealing bu…
We like 'stuff' in general and we love our 'stuff' in particular. Property is very big around here.
Also, not to excuse shoplifters but wage theft is a way WAY bigger issue in America than petty theft. But it gets less visibility, it's less visible in general, doesn't make for good TV, doesn't have that 'dystopian I need to buy more ammo' vibe and it can't really be used as a political wedge issue. We made this!
Also, to add the the general thread, I couldn't give two shits about this. We have a heavily militarized police force that looks like it's about to invade a foreign country and people still shoplift. A bunch of rent-a-cops are surely going to drive the shoplifter numbers down, right? It's almost as if the whole stealing thing happens for a different reason..