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Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by tyleo »

feet wrote: post #10
josephcsible wrote: post #5

> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

Copying my other comment here. There definitely is a moral issue >busting people who are shoplifting items that they either need to survive or items that they can sell to survive to say, pay rent, because our capitalist system has shit on them and left them with no options Property rights should not be above human life. Full stop.

I live next to a grocery store with a high rate of shoplifting and I disagree. Grocery stores are not charity. The issue has gotten so bad that freezers containing frozen sea food and ice cream now have locks on them.

Problems should be solved with real solutions rather than sacrificing businesses who are not equipped to solve the problem. In other words, if “property rights should not be above human life” then cities should provide for those lives through taxes and meal programs rather than letting random businesses be targets.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by reidjs »

feet wrote: post #10
josephcsible wrote: post #5

> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

Copying my other comment here. There definitely is a moral issue >busting people who are shoplifting items that they either need to survive or items that they can sell to survive to say, pay rent, because our capitalist system has shit on them and left them with no options Property rights should not be above human life. Full stop.

People and businesses should be allowed to protect their possessions and discourage theft. People who steal should be punished if they’re caught.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by unreal37 »

feet wrote: post #6
canjobear wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the problem as long as it's directed toward a prosocial aim.

So busting people who are shoplifting items that they either need to survive or items that they can sell to survive to say, pay rent, because our capitalist system has shit on them and left them with no options That prosocial goal?

I once saw a guy stealing a Moleskine notebook. Maybe that notebook can be resold, and he uses the money to pay rent?

Or more likely, he uses it to buy drugs.

So preventing the shoplifting might just save his life from a drug overdose.

It's hard to say that stealing is clearly right in almost any scenario. It's almost always anti-social.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by bowsamic »

satsuma wrote: post #28
josephcsible wrote: post #5

> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

shoplifting absolute necessities and life essentials is a morally light grey area. it's stealing, but when the alternative is starvation, there's a bit of leeway. for everything else, it becomes this twisted worldview where shoplifters believe they're owed something by "the system." or because it's walmart/target instead of mom and pop's corner shop, it's like they're the modern day robin hood. the ability of our bra…

They absolutely should feel they are owed something by the system. America (for example) has built amazing wealth extremely quickly using capitalism, but the distribution is terrible. It is totally fine for the very poor to steal from the very wealthy in a system that makes it extremely difficult, tedious, or tiring for many people to even live a comfortable life legally

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

feet wrote: post #10
josephcsible wrote: post #5

> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

Copying my other comment here. There definitely is a moral issue >busting people who are shoplifting items that they either need to survive or items that they can sell to survive to say, pay rent, because our capitalist system has shit on them and left them with no options Property rights should not be above human life. Full stop.

A lot of it is just to buy booze and drugs in cities where the social services are decent (food is easy to get, shelter is available if are somewhat sober), but those two things are not provided, and many see it as a survival need.

It is also much more organized now: rackets have a list of stuff to steal that they can then pawn off more easily. That is why LEGOs and laundry detergent are increasingly locked up.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by IAmWorried »

feet wrote: post #10
josephcsible wrote: post #5

> “A lot of people are like, ‘How, morally, can you do this job?’” How did people's moral compasses get so corrupt that instead of believing stealing is immoral, they believe that stopping other people from stealing is immoral?

Copying my other comment here. There definitely is a moral issue >busting people who are shoplifting items that they either need to survive or items that they can sell to survive to say, pay rent, because our capitalist system has shit on them and left them with no options Property rights should not be above human life. Full stop.

I'll let the other commenters do the debunking of this extremely stupid point you made - just want to point out that this is so clearly some shitty troll account. 5 months old and all the comments are idiotic crap like this.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by trs8080 »

mikysco wrote: post #7

The article strangely seems like it's framing the entire industry/profession of loss prevention in a negative light. Hopefully everyone realizes the more retail theft a store experiences, the higher prices become for those of us who pay... and the more likely a store is to shut down if theft becomes too prevalent. I'm not here defending a subreddit I've never visited but in general, those in the loss prevention indus…

> Loss prevention is there to prevent loss - not make moral judgements.

So that's just the way it is and it will never change? Maybe we should have less jobs where someone is authorized to use violent force and can check their morals at the door.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by unreal37 »

colpabar wrote: post #17

> As of April 2022, over 134,000 loss prevention officers — many of them white men — were employed in the U.S. What is the purpose of mentioning the "white men" part?

The article clearly has a slant.

I also think it links to how most loss prevention officers have a decide to go into law enforcement.

Re: A subreddit dedicated to busting shoplifters

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Post by ilaksh »

colpabar wrote: post #17

> As of April 2022, over 134,000 loss prevention officers — many of them white men — were employed in the U.S. What is the purpose of mentioning the "white men" part?

Because now apparently just admitting that you are against having and enforcing shoplifting laws means that you can be accused of being racist if you are white.
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