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Post by potiuper »

ravenstine wrote: post #142
potiuper wrote: post #5

"No dairy": would result in a Vitamin D deficit unless the some other food fortified with vitamin D is used, person is living in a tropical region with little clothing, or the multivitamin option is chosen over the emphasized B12 supplement. It also lacks fiber: https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/potatoes-and-milk-is-t...

The human body does not need fiber.

As long as one does not have various gastrointestinal disorders and accepts the adverse cardiovascular, cancer, and diabetes risks. A lack of dietary vitamin D also does not risk immediate death like a lack of oxygen, but similarly increases risk of adverse conditions like rickets.

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Post by silicon2401 »

cheese_goddess wrote: post #169
silicon2401 wrote: post #165

Potatoes are very high in oxalates, which people at risk of kidney stones (1 in 10 men) are often told to avoid. That alone is enough reason for me to basically never eat potatoes.

I'm a kidney patient and no nephrologist, or any other health worker, has ever advised me not to eat potatoes. I'll tell you what they all advised me to drastically reduce: salt. How do you feel about salt consumption? Excess salt consumption, typical in western and Asian diets, is a major risk for cardiovascular disease and for kidney disease (not kidney stones... kidney disease ). Are you similarly cautious of a hi…

I didn't mention anything about oxalates and general kidney health or kidney disease, only kidney stones. I haven't seen a reason for avoiding oxalates unless you're at risk for kidney stones, so I'm not sure what point you're making.

> For stone prevention, a reasonable goal is below 100 mg of oxalate daily. An ideal would be about 50 mg daily if that can be accomplished.

> POTATOES These are Trouble! I put them into their own separate group even though they are vegetables.

> From french fries to baked potatoes they are very high oxalate items.

https://kidneystones.uchicago.edu/how-to-eat-a-low-oxalate-d...

To your question, yes. I drink tons of water and avoid salt as much as I can.

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Post by tomcam »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #167
tomcam wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say you are asked on a regular basis… What basis is that? Once a week? Once a month? I have never had anyone so interested in my diet and I am a little jealous. Also who are these people and what impels them to be so interested in what you are eating?

"When you say you are asked on a regular basis" anytime there is a discussion on food, i bring in potatoes into the conversation automatically. i can't help it. its not like people come up to me and ask about my eating habits. i am willing and have at many times given up a plate of a variety of meats and stuff for a plate of fried/baked potatoes so i bring that up and people start saying stuff...

Thanks for clarifying this all important situation!

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Post by modulated »

I’d be very cautious about following any mono diet for a prolonged period of time. For every anecdote you find with a positive story you can find an opposing narrative. I work as a physician and had a patient come in through emergency very sick after eating nothing but potatoes for 2 years.

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Post by Arn_Thor »

BizarroLand wrote: post #211
Arn_Thor wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdote alert here, but I grew up in Northern Europe and had a standard diet absolutely full of dairy. No problems. Then I moved to East Asia for about a year and inadvertently cut out dairy completely (it just wasn't in any food, and I didn't crave it). When I went back on holiday after the first year and reintroduced dairy into my diet it seemed I had developed a serious intolerance to it which took months to slow…

Most people who are lactose intolerant aren't aware they are lactose intolerant, and many people are lactose intolerant. Chances are, you are lactose intolerant but you were adjusted to the side effects as being normal until you had a period of your life where you were not dealing with them. For a lot of people, lactose intolerance makes them a little gassy, or changes their bowel habits. It's practically negligible…

Born and bred by the most Nordic of Nordic folk, I've had no gastric trouble whatsoever, aside from the odd bout of food poisoning. There were no symptoms from which I felt relief when I stopped having dairy. I can all but guarantee I did not grow up lactose intolerant.

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Post by giardini »

keyle wrote: post #18

One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

This.

My doctor put me on a "no milk products" diet years ago for a digestive ailment. I [too rigorously, perhaps] held to it for a year and a half. The diet solved my problems but at end left me lactose intolerant.

It didn't at first seem like much to live without milk products. But the ramifications of eating say, a banana pudding, which then turns one's intestines into a freestyle trumpet, cannot be ignored.

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #117
keyle wrote: post #18

One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

I'm a big believer in the idea that diet can influence the microbiome but current science does not support the above statements. While diet can induce a shift in the gut microbiota, these changes appear to be temporary. Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6950569/#:~:tex... I am unaware of dietary induced lact…

"unsupported" sounds more like not truthful, but unknown make it seems like it's unexplored.

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Post by Terry_Roll »

aitchnyu wrote: post #216
Terry_Roll wrote: post #124

No mention of the fact the immune system doesnt attack starch which is high in potatoes, but the immune system will attack other sugars ingested.

Could you elaborate on this? Would grains and fruits trigger an immune response?

Serotonin in seed shells (think anaphylactic) would trigger an immune system response because its how they have evolved in order to be pooped out by animals, serotonin irritates the digestive system and aids fast passage, ergo the seed is spread further afield.

Fruits could, but its really a good idea to quantify the chemicals in each and their subsequent response, because the phrase "trigger an immune response" is so vague its like trying to quantify legislation.

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #203
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, ghee would be better than butter, and I wouldn't use olive oil for high-temperature frying. Coconut oil and beef tallow very suitable.

What’s wrong with olive?

Oils go rancid by premature oxidation of the fat. Saturated fat is least susceptible to this, polyunsaturated oil the most. Rancid fat is quite toxic and will suppress the immune system, slow metabolism and cause other issues.

Butter and coconut oil are nearly 100% saturated fats, with 2-3% PUFA. Olive oil is a bit higher in PUFA, 8-11%, so it decomposes more easily when heated up.

Consider that olive oil is one of the most counterfeited products in the world. It is very common for producers (Greece, Italy, Macedonia etc) to add low-quality seed oils, and this is hard to detect. Research the price of olives, the amount of olives needed for one liter of olive oil, and the price olive oil sells for in supermarkets - it doesn't add up.

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Post by TrueSlacker0 »

Taikonerd wrote: post #188
Smaug123 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of this random Internet trial is to verify or disprove the assertion that this diet is easy to stick to for most people , which would be absolutely massive if true because no weight-loss diet ever has had this property. And it seems to have done very well at that purpose: four weeks later, only about 10% of the cohort were still doing it.

4 weeks is a very, very long time to only eat potatoes. When Penn Jillette tried this, the all-potato phase lasted 2 weeks. I wonder what % of the cohort was still adhering to the diet at the 2-week mark?

Signed Up: 220 [CLOSED] Past the 4-Week Mark: 46
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