Honestly probably too little too late. How they didn't try to have a long form product to compete with Substack (especially) and Medium is astonishing. I've long held that Twitter engineers, etc seem disconnected from their own user base.
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#72It seems that self hosted blogs are out with this new Twitter Notes feature, I can even see that Medium is pretty much in trouble here as well. Is there any point to starting a self hosted blog now that this exists for non technical people?
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#73Honestly probably too little too late. How they didn't try to have a long form product to compete with Substack (especially) and Medium is astonishing. I've long held that Twitter engineers, etc seem disconnected from their own user base.
Too little too late? If they do a better job than substack or medium they can probably take marketshare. Instead of innovating on it they can emulate the effective products and build on top of it.
It's like saying instagram's videos were too late to tik tok. It effectively stopped the hemorrhaging and kept market share.
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#74Well, all the links to notes just result in "Hmm...this page doesn’t exist. Try searching for something else." for me. I know it says available in "most countries" but I'm right here in California. Is it not available in Twitter's home country?
I had the same thing happen to me. Page worked after refresh though.
That seems to be an issue in general for Twitter, particularly when logged out. It often doesn't load on the first go around and you have to refresh to see the content.
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#75In my experience, most people on twitter won't click to read long form content if it opens in a separate view. They won't read past few tweets either. I believe most twitter users don't want to read beyond 280 characters. A thread provides them an opportunity to comment on any 280 characters section they have actually read. They should have provided similar interface to typefully to write long form tweet and a button…
>They won't read past few tweets either I believe this is because twitter is actively hostile to reading long threads. They'll truncate the middle of a thread, or show "load more tweets" for replies — and then they'll only load just a few more tweets. Want to keep reading? Load a few more tweets at a time. It's miserable.
Yeah, a better UX would be to just make long threads more readable (compact tweets with smaller icons).
Re: Twitter Notes
#76My reaction to this is that it's an effort to keep users within the "walled garden" of Twitter, which is not the best thing for those that write.
Recall the story with Medium - yes, you get broader reach with less effort, but at the cost of giving up control of your content.
I know that I am talking with an overly developer-focused lens (a-la "you can reimplement Dropbox in a weekend"), but self-hosting blogs outside the "walled gardens" is not super complicated even for non-power users. Ghost has existed for years and is a very user-friendly experience. Want to be a bit more technical - go the static site route.
It might be a lost battle to convince the majority of the social media audience of this (after all, can't beat the convenience and the cost of $0), but I really do not see this as beneficial to those that deeply care about their long-form writing accessibility and sustainability.
Twitter already has login walls to just read tweets, so I'd imagine the same is likely to apply to long-form content as well.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I always hated the long multi-tweet essays I'm very new to twitter but I love them because feedback can be given on a (near) per sentence basis.
You’d have loved inline quoting on Usenet.
We can cite & quote pieces of Notes too. But it wont create anywhere near the interesting forms of engagement an already decomposed thread has.
In a thread there are ready made pieces of the thread to talk about. Each piece of the thread has it's own likes. Discussions can start around any piece & we know they're talking about the same general area.
Notes feels like a severe & critical downgrade, a regression to a pre-connected, earlier, less capable form. Putting different pieces of information/content into their own places, giving each their own url, giving each their own engagement points: that has been why Twitter's been so remarkably unlike anything else. Ideas have to be broken down, and that constraint has been what's made Twitter so powerful & engageable as a medium.
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#78Is it "Twitter Write" or "Twitter Notes"? The branding is already confusing, and it hasn't even launched yet.
Amusingly, they’re calling it “Notes” and specifically NOT “Twitter Notes”. Which is not going to go well for them, judging by this submission title.
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#79I welcome this. I always hated the long multi-tweet essays and have often just given up on reading them, especially when I'm not logged in I can't even make it to the end before twitter blocks me from scrolling further. As of now it doesn't look like you can reply to a note with another note? That might go a long way for improving debate and discussion.
I still won't bother. No matter how fast of a computer you use, Twitter is annoyingly slow to load and seems to leak memory if you scroll too far.
Try nitter.net, an alternate Twitter front-end that is much less gimmicky and uses dramatically less resources with fewer UI glitches, while also doing a better job of presenting 'threads' of tweets.
Re: Twitter Notes
#80interesting how Twitter is evolving from a 140-char microblog platform into a mishmash of different vaguely related and tenuously connected services/features: - main timeline - direct messages - Spaces (audio chatrooms) - Communities (sub-timelines) - Newsletters (this still exists? will it, if Notes gains traction?) - and now Notes and probably more I forgot. I wonder if they'll eventually go full-circle and add a P…
You forgot porn, how much of their revenue is derived from adult content creators?