> It sounds like a dumb gimmick that could never work, but there are a surprising number of people out there saying that they tried it, it worked for them, and they kept the weight off for months or even years after. Losing weight isn't causal to being healthy. In most cases it correlates because gaining weight is usually done through eating unhealthy (excess calories, refined sugars, etc.) so going on a healthy diet…
Exactly this. I lost 34Kg without resorting to eating just potatoes or some other ridiculous fad. Just less input than output with a balanced diet.
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think OP was suggesting that being overweight was healthy or that losing weight was bad. They merely suggested that weight loss does not occur as a result of a healthy diet, but rather as a result of an intentionally deficient diet (technically an "unhealthy" diet). That you can lose weight eating only potatoes is therefore not very interesting and does not imply that the diet is healthy.
There's nothing inherently unhealthy about being in a temporary state of negative energy flux (unless you are already underweight or deficient in an essential mineral or something)
From the perspective I took where a healthy diet is a sustainable one with sufficient nutrients and long lifetime expectancy, a weight loss diet is unhealthy and unsustainable, but there to negate a different issue and improve long-term health.
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Which ones? The milk solids in the butter will obviously burn, but the others seem about as suitable as anything can get.
Yes, ghee would be better than butter, and I wouldn't use olive oil for high-temperature frying. Coconut oil and beef tallow very suitable.
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#204One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…
This is noted in, of all things, Adam Smiths the Wealth of Nations when he compares the diet of the poor in England (mostly wheat), in Scotland (Barley?) and, of course, Ireland (Potatoes). He notes that, of these groups, it is not the relatively well-of poor in England who are the healthiests, but the poorest of the all, the Irish. The poor in Ireland would not be able to afford more than the cheapest food, which would be whatever greens were in season and potatoes.
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The only thing we know Paleolithic people ate a lot of is meat. Paleolithic archaeological sites are full of marrow-scraped bones and the stone tools used to kill and butcher. Paleolithic teeth have little of the damage associated with eating grit from ground grains. We have such remarkable discoveries as a building made entirely of mammoth skulls. The Hadza are a modern people, and modern hunter-gatherers have been…
> The only thing we know Paleolithic people ate a lot of is meat. > Paleolithic archaeological sites are full of marrow-scraped bones and the stone tools used to kill and butcher. That's only because all the archaeologic evidence is preserved in bones and tools. All if not most of the plant based evidence has been reclaimed by nature. There are some new discoveries surrounding preserved pollens that are showing how e…
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#207My long-running pet theory is that eating a large variety of foods is bad for our gut biome. Between breakfast, lunch, and dinner, our intestinal flora cycles through blooms and die-offs of different bacteria. The blooms interfere with bacteria diversity, while the die-offs create waves of toxins that trigger our immune systems. To give an analogy, it's a bit like an ecology having its climate messed with. Imagine a…
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#208> Calories 161
> Protein 4.3g grams
Let's do some math here. 2500 calories of potatoes works out to 2500/161x4.3 = 66.77 grams of protein. If you don't understand immediately why that might be a bit of a problem, then you're probably the target audience for this Dunning-Kruger Diet. Sure, you'll lose fat, along with what little muscle you have, and probably even some bone mineral density.
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We are not omnivores. Humans are obligate hypercarnivores that are capable of scavenging other energy sources for survival. Plenty of animals, both herbivores and carnivores, are capable of eating foods that they were not developed to eat, but that does not mean it's optimal or good for them. Humans only became "omnivores" in the last 30,000 years as a result of agriculture. For several million years prior to that, h…
We have a cecum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecum And we can digest plants just fine without having to ferment them. All those fantastical ideas about how the human body works, they keep cropping up in this kind of thread again and again. Where do they come from, I wonder? I am really curious. Who comes up with those things? The other day some guy was saying we can't digest plants. Like, at all. A vegetarian once…
If you look at the digestive tract of herbavores, such as cows, deer, horses, and rabbits, their cecum is a distinctly large and is typically considered a separate digestive organ.
Besides absorbing salts, the human "cecum" is a glorified dead end to the large intestine. A human could easily live without one if it were removed. It would have nearly no impact on our ability to swallow cellulose and excrete it undigested. Removing the cecum from an herbavore like a horse would be an entirely different story because they need it to process cellulose.
> And we can digest plants just fine without having to ferment them.
This is not correct. Humans are entirely ill-adapted to digesting plant material. You will find no credible source that suggests that our digestive tracts are good at digesting cellulose, which makes up the bulk of plant material because it composes their cell walls. Just because we can swallow plants and poop them out without necessarily getting sick or dying doesn't mean it's at all optimal.
At best, we can ferment a small amount of cellulose given that it has been sufficiently broken down through cooking. Even if we were better at fermenting it, we are extremely poor at grinding it and are bad at harboring microbiota that produce cellulase enzyme.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8661373/
Can we derive energy from plants? Of course. If those plants are abundant in sugars and proteins, then we can access those. That is possible in present day because agriculture and selective breeding made edible and energy dense plants available and ubiquitous. Such plants did not exist the way they do today, were usually scarce, only available seasonally, and were energy-expensive to obtain and prepare.
> There's clearly a kind of madness in all those diets that starts to become dangerous when it becomes a fad.
Depends on if those diets are actually dangerous. What's more dangerous than believing that humans are developed to primarily eat meat is to ignore all available scientific evidence and promote fanciful ideas around plants being good or even better for humans. I await the day that a child dies from being fed plenty of meat.
Meanwhile...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vegan-coup...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjqbem/judge-convicts-parent...
It's as if the human body is optimized to process animal material and is not so good at processing plants.
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> The only thing we know Paleolithic people ate a lot of is meat. > Paleolithic archaeological sites are full of marrow-scraped bones and the stone tools used to kill and butcher. That's only because all the archaeologic evidence is preserved in bones and tools. All if not most of the plant based evidence has been reclaimed by nature. There are some new discoveries surrounding preserved pollens that are showing how e…
Thank you for confirming that "realize that our Paleolithic friends ate mostly plants" is not something we know, that we only have evidence that they ate a lot of meat, and that you knew this to be the case, so I have to ask: why did you state something you know to be untrue?
Maybe I should have worded it better... "realize that our Paleolithic friends ate more plants than we were lead to believe"