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Re: Schluss – A secure vault for personal data

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Post by jka »

shafyy wrote: post #29
raxxorraxor wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would work with legislation if the loss of personal data of third parties induces extremely high fines that it simply isn't worth it anymore. Fines that could almost ruin even large players. Exception has to be business data since there is simply no alternative but the distinction isn't as trivial as it seems at first. Since many would not be able to store user information they are reliant on people hosting themse…

It would be much easier just to mandate that storing customer info is not allowed as a company.

Would many companies pay for user data if they weren't allowed to store it?

Re: Schluss – A secure vault for personal data

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Post by Agamus »

toss1 wrote: post #20

So, let's take all of our personal info that is being harvested by many organizations and further defragment & centralize it by giving it to one organization? What could go wrong? I like the idea of getting it out of control of the current harvesting orgs, but what makes this group more trustworthy? They seem great now, but when you are dealing with a corporation, things can change - their situation andmor leadership…

The first thought that popped into my head when I was reading the pitch was, "Don't be evil".

The second thought was, "basta!"

Re: Schluss – A secure vault for personal data

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Post by cyberei »

tagyro wrote: post #11

I like the idea and I think (and hope) someone (hopefully not a FAANG) will manage to build a product. As for schluss.org specifically, I don't see any reason to trust them. On a side note, I also find their "Responsible Disclosure" page at https://schluss.org/responsible-disclosure/ to say the least, funny: - "Your reward. We work as a community, in which you contribute to improve Schluss. With this you contribute t…

Well, "hacking is not allowed in the Netherlands".

But honestly, I think what they're trying to say is, we're happy if you report issues, but please don't commit a legal offense. This policy will not absolve you.

Re: Schluss – A secure vault for personal data

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Post by torm »

"We dream of a world in which your information is yours once more" I don't recall when my information was really mine. Like ever. In pre-internet days I didn't even knew who had what about me. Well, anyway... They are offering ability to manage data accessibility - all that by my self! Seems like another good part of my life gone doing just that and worrying if I set everything correctly. Finally, I assume that once the 'pod' infrastructure goes down I can't use any of the apps - commercial or govt, right? naah, thanks

Re: Schluss – A secure vault for personal data

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Post by simongray »

sph wrote: post #4
shafyy wrote: post #2

Idea-wise, this seems similar to Tim Berners-Lee's Solid ( https://solidproject.org/ ). The problem with these approaches is that no significant company is going to do this voluntarily. And this is not going to make a dent until Meta, Apple and friends do it. They are not going to do it because it doesn't give them an advantage, it only makes their lifes harder. It makes it harder even if they don't use the data for…

Does Solid have a concrete working example? I've tried getting into it, but it seems very academic and with the nitty-gritty details conveniently left out, it gets frustrating trying to work out what exactly Solid _is_. I don't think Tim Berners-Lee is trying to sell us some vaporware, so has anyone got any pointer?

https://solidproject.org/apps

Re: Schluss – A secure vault for personal data

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Post by anyfoo »

tyingq wrote: post #35

Curious about the name...Schlüssel, German for "key", seemed possible. But Schluss or Schlüsse, or Dutch versus German probably mean something else.

If it’s German, it’s weird. In German “Schluss” is an end.

It has different connotations from the other word for end, “das Ende”, which is more literally “the end”: “Schluss” is something like “it’s over, pack it up!”

Technically it does come from a declination of “schließen”, which mostly means “close”, so I assume that’s where the idea comes from, but in this form it does not reflect normal usage. “Lock” would be “abschließen”, but “Abschluss” as a substantive also rather means “the end of something”.

As a free standing word it’s just… weird.

If it’s Dutch maybe it makes sense, don’t know Dutch!

Re: Schluss – A secure vault for personal data

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Post by hobofan »

anyfoo wrote: post #38
tyingq wrote: post #35

Curious about the name...Schlüssel, German for "key", seemed possible. But Schluss or Schlüsse, or Dutch versus German probably mean something else.

If it’s German, it’s weird. In German “Schluss” is an end. It has different connotations from the other word for end, “das Ende”, which is more literally “the end”: “Schluss” is something like “it’s over, pack it up!” Technically it does come from a declination of “schließen”, which mostly means “close”, so I assume that’s where the idea comes from, but in this form it does not reflect normal usage. “Lock” would be “…

Nothing weird about it at all. Based on their footer ("Schluss. Basta. Stop.") it's supposed to be read as an exclamation. As an exclamation ("Schluss."/"Schluss!") it would be translated as "stop it!".

Re: Schluss – A secure vault for personal data

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Post by anyfoo »

hobofan wrote: post #39
anyfoo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it’s German, it’s weird. In German “Schluss” is an end. It has different connotations from the other word for end, “das Ende”, which is more literally “the end”: “Schluss” is something like “it’s over, pack it up!” Technically it does come from a declination of “schließen”, which mostly means “close”, so I assume that’s where the idea comes from, but in this form it does not reflect normal usage. “Lock” would be “…

Nothing weird about it at all. Based on their footer ("Schluss. Basta. Stop.") it's supposed to be read as an exclamation. As an exclamation ("Schluss."/"Schluss!") it would be translated as "stop it!".

Ah, the footer clarifies they actually meant it like that. Makes sense then, thanks.
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