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Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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The following link will take you to an EFF page. You can enter your address and get the contact info for your Congress members. It also lets you email them automatically about the other version of this bill, Protect IP, which is just as bad. https://wfc2.wiredforchange.com/o/9042/p/dia/action/public/?...

I used OpenCongress. It's similar in that it will email your congress members based on your address.

http://www.opencongress.org/contact_congress_letters/7509-H-...

Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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No matter what system they use, someone will find it fundamentally objectionable. It,s too simple. It's too complex. There's too much security. There isn't enough security. Give people a window on the administration, and the first thing they'll do is whine about the curtains.

I wasn't whining. I was asking if the conversation is being had. It's a question of fostering trust. So I'll ask again: Is anyone talking about the potential concerns here? Has this been asked and answered? Is there a technical solution that alleviates the concerns? I don't think this is whining, just starting a conversation. If the goal of the forum is to open a dialogue is there a way of doing so that ensures the s…

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Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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No matter what system they use, someone will find it fundamentally objectionable. It,s too simple. It's too complex. There's too much security. There isn't enough security. Give people a window on the administration, and the first thing they'll do is whine about the curtains.

I wasn't whining. I was asking if the conversation is being had. It's a question of fostering trust. So I'll ask again: Is anyone talking about the potential concerns here? Has this been asked and answered? Is there a technical solution that alleviates the concerns? I don't think this is whining, just starting a conversation. If the goal of the forum is to open a dialogue is there a way of doing so that ensures the s…

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Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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No matter what system they use, someone will find it fundamentally objectionable. It,s too simple. It's too complex. There's too much security. There isn't enough security. Give people a window on the administration, and the first thing they'll do is whine about the curtains.

I wasn't whining. I was asking if the conversation is being had. It's a question of fostering trust. So I'll ask again: Is anyone talking about the potential concerns here? Has this been asked and answered? Is there a technical solution that alleviates the concerns? I don't think this is whining, just starting a conversation. If the goal of the forum is to open a dialogue is there a way of doing so that ensures the s…

I'm not saying you are, just that some people will be dissatisfied regardless of what solution is put in place. That said, I don't really consider this particular conversation worth having. You want some level of unique ID on a site like this to deter casual/not spamming, but if you implement strict ID then you'll either drive people away and/or make them paranoid. This is meant to function as a barometer of sentiment, and there's no point in over thinking it. If/when Congress allows some sort of formal petitioning mechanism that guarantees some degree of legislative procedure, then an audit trail and a balancing of transparency with privacy will need to be in place. That wouldmrpobably involve use of a social security number or similar to ensure only citizens can participate.

Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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Similarly, if anyone advocates more test coverage, we should automatically assume they want 100% quickcheck-like coverage testing all possible occurrences including power outages, network cables being unplugged, etc. What nonsense! How could anyone get work done in a place like that? Or, to use a political example, if anyone advocates more regulation of X, it's incumbent on them to explicitly explain they aren't actu…

"More test coverage" isn't actionable, and if you try to act on it then you'll make stupid tests that don't help, waste effort, and hinder later refactoring efforts. "I'm worried about the foo module, do we have test coverage for this type of failure" is reasonable. And I'd similarly pile on anyone who asked for quote "more regulation" without specifying so much as an industry and type of behavior to be regulated.

In the context of a conversation about module foo and all the KeyError exceptions it's raising, a charitable person would interpret "more test coverage" as "write tests that look for KeyError's in module foo." An uncharitable person would make the leap I described in my previous post.

Note to self: don't hire pedantic employees who interpret my statements in the most unreasonable way possible just to prove a point.

Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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You are arguing against a straw man. Cheez wasn't advocating taking all power from the government, just "most". Applying the principle of charity ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity ) to cheez's remarks, one would assume that preventing violence is not one of the powers he advocated taking from the government.

Suppose the government only lost the power to regulate the telecom industry. In this case, the gatekeepers could do whatever they wanted regarding telecom policy without any fear of legal pushback, instead of having to at least consider their small and manageable fear. If you don't like what they do and there is no framework for making your voice heard on this particular issue, what options do you have? Try to start…

Suppose further that the government never subsidized the infrastructure to begin with.

Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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One solution is term limits on Congress. Unfortunately, Congress votes on the bills and amendments, so it's not happening.

We have term limits in California and there is absolutely no sign that it has led to better legislation.

The goal is not better legislation; I agree term limits wouldn't do anything for that. The goal is to combat accumulation of power, which results in greater and greater corruption.

Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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What makes it any more reasonable to suggest that it's possible to change the incentives than to suggest we can find uncorruptible politicians? I don't think that this systemic view aligns with the campaign-finance-reform argument argument at all; the people who want money out of politics regard money itself as the root cause of the problem, but neglects to address the real underlying incentives that money - merely a…

Well, here in the real world, there was a Citizen's United decision in 2009, and there was record-setting advertising spending from industry groups in 2010. In a midterm election. Noone's claiming they have a perfect system, I'd be satisfied if we stopped sliding backwards.

What do you mean by 'sliding backwards'?

What was wrong with the Citizen's United decision? What's wrong with high advertising spending?

Are you implying that voters are really so easily influenced by the mere volume as advertising that advertising alone is the overriding determinant of electoral success? If that's your point, isn't it actually an indictment of democracy itself?

Re: Stop the E-Parasite Act

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What makes it any more reasonable to suggest that it's possible to change the incentives than to suggest we can find uncorruptible politicians? I don't think that this systemic view aligns with the campaign-finance-reform argument argument at all; the people who want money out of politics regard money itself as the root cause of the problem, but neglects to address the real underlying incentives that money - merely a…

It's a good question; perhaps we can't. I think it's worth thinking about and considering if we really can't do anything to reduce likelihood or magnitude of corruption, though. The founding fathers spent a decent amount of time thinking about it in their own historical context, rather than leaving it purely to a trust that voters will punish politicians who behave badly. For example, the U.S. Constitution has writte…

I think the founding fathers presumed that a certain level of corruption and abuse will always exist; their solution was to make it very difficult for any single political institution or office-holder to act autonomously, and deliberately constrained the exercise of power, so as to make effective corruption quite expensive and complicated.

Our modern trend toward increasing political centralization and removal of constraints on power is what's making corruption so lucrative and effective: if you build it, they will come.

Many of those who are most vigorously agitating for campaign finance reform want a strong and centralized federal government that isn't influenced by interests that compete with their own. But you can't have your cake and eat it too: if that's what you order, it's coming with a side of corruption (and a mixed metaphor fresh out of the blender).

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