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Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by pc86 »

zikduruqe wrote: post #128
infofarmer wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. To clarify: modern science estimates 300–1000 species in gut microbiota, 99% by number of cells coming from 30-40 species. The total number of microbial and viral cells throughout a healthy adult body is estimated at over 100 trillion, or roughly 10x the number of one's own body cells. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_microbiota

And for all your bro-dieters out there eating a "paleo" diet, realize that our Paleolithic friends ate mostly plants. The Hadza tribe is one of our last living examples and their gut biome is amazing. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/24/5456315... https://www.wired.com/2014/04/hadza-hunter-gatherer-gut-micr...

This seems pretty dismissive of a diet that - like all diets - has some idiotic and vocal adherents, but consists basically of "don't eat processed food or added sugar."

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by ravenstine »

potiuper wrote: post #5

"No dairy": would result in a Vitamin D deficit unless the some other food fortified with vitamin D is used, person is living in a tropical region with little clothing, or the multivitamin option is chosen over the emphasized B12 supplement. It also lacks fiber: https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/potatoes-and-milk-is-t...

The human body does not need fiber.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by Kaibeezy »

DonHopkins wrote: post #82
keyle wrote: post #18

One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from blowing chunder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g-Yk9F2mM8

Chips in the front room, roasties in the back.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by siskiyou »

This diet falls into the same trap that all temporary diets do: assuming a brief change followed by a return to SOP will result in meaningful change. Your diet is properly understood as what you eat regularly for long periods, or forever. Change that and you may get somewhere. After your 30s, eat less total calories each year.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by Arn_Thor »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #117
keyle wrote: post #18

One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

I'm a big believer in the idea that diet can influence the microbiome but current science does not support the above statements. While diet can induce a shift in the gut microbiota, these changes appear to be temporary. Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6950569/#:~:tex... I am unaware of dietary induced lact…

Anecdote alert here, but I grew up in Northern Europe and had a standard diet absolutely full of dairy. No problems. Then I moved to East Asia for about a year and inadvertently cut out dairy completely (it just wasn't in any food, and I didn't crave it). When I went back on holiday after the first year and reintroduced dairy into my diet it seemed I had developed a serious intolerance to it which took months to slowly undo. Now I try to eat a little dairy every now and then just to stay accustomed to it.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by ravenstine »

chihuahua wrote: post #52

Half of the internet is people shouting that "carbs will kill you", and then there's people who argue that eating only carbs is the best idea ever. The only thing that makes sense to me is that any extreme position is wrong. E.g. only carbs, no carbs at all, only meat, only plants.

Actually, they can all be "right" but only in exclusion.

Eating mostly carbs absent fat or fat absent carbs means engaging the Randle Cycle to a much lesser degree, given that fatty acid and glucose aren't competing fuel substrates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randle_cycle

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by ravenstine »

fractallyte wrote: post #57
zerohp wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiber is not a nutrient.

Fiber is increasingly being recognized as essential to gut health, so arguably it should be considered a nutrient. Classifying it differently risks omitting it from discussions (as we see in the article) and - vitally - food labeling. Here's a discussion: https://www.jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(15)01743-8/ful...

Fiber is only "essential" in the context of eating food that isn't appropriate for our digestive system. Eating an appropriate diet primarily of meat requires no fiber whatsoever. The idea that fiber is necessary for anything but mitigating some effects from an inappropriate diet comes from the American dietetics association's desire to push a plant-based diet despite all the evidence contrary to plant-based diets.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by samatman »

zikduruqe wrote: post #128
infofarmer wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. To clarify: modern science estimates 300–1000 species in gut microbiota, 99% by number of cells coming from 30-40 species. The total number of microbial and viral cells throughout a healthy adult body is estimated at over 100 trillion, or roughly 10x the number of one's own body cells. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_microbiota

And for all your bro-dieters out there eating a "paleo" diet, realize that our Paleolithic friends ate mostly plants. The Hadza tribe is one of our last living examples and their gut biome is amazing. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/24/5456315... https://www.wired.com/2014/04/hadza-hunter-gatherer-gut-micr...

The only thing we know Paleolithic people ate a lot of is meat.

Paleolithic archaeological sites are full of marrow-scraped bones and the stone tools used to kill and butcher. Paleolithic teeth have little of the damage associated with eating grit from ground grains. We have such remarkable discoveries as a building made entirely of mammoth skulls.

The Hadza are a modern people, and modern hunter-gatherers have been pushed to the fringes. Early English and French explorers documented the diets of the North American people they encountered: they ate a lot of meat, growing the Three Sisters as a supplement to a diet heavy in game and fish.

It was the Neolithic in which population pressure forced people to start eating grain, and eventually growing it. They immediately became shorter and their teeth started falling out.

Re: Potato diet community trial

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Post by shadowfox »

pc86 wrote: post #141
zikduruqe wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And for all your bro-dieters out there eating a "paleo" diet, realize that our Paleolithic friends ate mostly plants. The Hadza tribe is one of our last living examples and their gut biome is amazing. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/08/24/5456315... https://www.wired.com/2014/04/hadza-hunter-gatherer-gut-micr...

This seems pretty dismissive of a diet that - like all diets - has some idiotic and vocal adherents, but consists basically of "don't eat processed food or added sugar."

> but consists basically of "don't eat processed food or added sugar."

Paleo goes a bit beyond that, to be fair.

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