One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar • Hacker News Board

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by Cymrukicks » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:33 AM UTC

harha wrote: post #93

klausjensen wrote: post #52

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FIFA is one of the most corrupt organizations in the world so it is hardly a surprise. Anything is for sale. It is widely documented. Here is an OK starting point, if you want to dig deeper: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case

FIFA can only operate this way as long as the country organizations tolerate it, it’s interesting how something like sports that is commonly considered as representing a country is so massively corrupt and everybody is ok with it (and I’m thinking of the big sponsors, where you probably have massive background checks to get hired, but it’s alright to invest in such organizations)

They are setup to defend against it, Several countries have reacted against the blatant corruption and Fifa will instantly suspend them for political interference.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by krapp » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:34 AM UTC

themitigating wrote: post #90

drno123 wrote: post #53

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Jail time is less bad than being killed by a drone while your country is invaded by the USA, or being killed by a school shooter in the USA because you have iduotic gun laws, or being killed by a policeman because you are not white.

Murder is illegal, reducing guns may help but your implication is that school shootings are legal and/or cultural accepted.

I think it can be argued that school shootings are culturally accepted. Many Americans seem to view them as a necessary price to pay for, and unavoidable consequence of, their Second Amendment freedoms, something I've seen argued numerous times. The gun culture ethos of "the only answer to a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun" implicitly normalizes the latter to justify the former. And then there's the fact that school shootings basically act as advertisements for the guns used, such that there's always a spike in guns sales after such an event.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by sph » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:34 AM UTC

cmntqatar2022 wrote: post #41

zaarn wrote: post #27

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Why does Qatar have to force their values on people who are visiting for an international event? Why should any country be allowed to regulate what I do in the privacy of my bedroom between consenting adults? You being downvoted has nothing to do with intolerance towards other cultures and religions, just Qatar being an example of a country forcing values on others in the privacy of their bedrooms.

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Qatar can remain a backward country with medieval culture for all I care.

But FIFA should not host a World Cup in such a place, hence our protests. Of course Qatar is more than welcome to play in our stadiums, I have nothing against the sport nor the players themselves, the only thing that matters on the pitch is the rule book.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by butterfly771 » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:34 AM UTC

krzrak wrote: post #4

it's disgusting to organize public, worldwide events in barbaric countries.

Liberalism may even make you forget local laws that respect the cultural practices of others? Arrogant speech is no good. If someone like you reaches the top of politics, I think the world war will come soon, and you are more likely to be a fascist than others.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by soco » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:34 AM UTC

drno123 wrote: post #47

cmntqatar2022 wrote: post #15

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You are not barbaric if you drone-bomb children in other countries, or have relaxed gun-laws that cause enormous number of civilian deaths in your country.

The US mass shootings definitely don't make Quatar treatment of slaves less barbaric. Try maybe another argument.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by jleyank » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:34 AM UTC

ahtihn wrote: post #29

jleyank wrote: post #3

This is where ethics and money collide. If you participate, you’re complicit. The players are comfortable enough to say no, and the punters can stick to the local pub or even bite hard and “stay home” entirely - let the advertisers know. Talk it cheap. Actions mean more but both have costs. Willing to pay?

> The players are comfortable enough to say no Not if saying no risks ending your career. You don't become a pro football player and play in the world cup just for thr money.

There’s other ways to be bought than money. Very few athletes have risked their careers to take a stand or do the right thing. Their sincerity is really undercut by never taking a risk. Unless they’re just part of the bread and circuses…

“Xxx is bad, unless it hurts me” isn’t a defensible moral position. Better they drop the sermonizing if it’s just feel good.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by hibernator149 » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:34 AM UTC

cmntqatar2022 wrote: post #32

kylecazar wrote: post #21

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Isn't it safe to conclude he's talking about the host country of the World Cup?

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My country was incredibly barbaric just 80 years ago. We changed our norms and are much better now, but still lots of room for improvement.

Countries can change. I see no reason for not calling them out for their (apparent) barbarisms as long as I am willing to be called out myself. This is the only way that we can improve this world for all of us.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by dotancohen » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:34 AM UTC

sshine wrote: post #48

baisq wrote: post #23

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A 22 year old is a boy now?

Yes. Simone De Beauvoir said "One is not born a woman, but becomes one". The idea is that "man" and "woman" are social roles you gradually grow into as you increase your responsibility for yourself and others. Things that may contribute towards becoming a man or woman are: Becoming a parent, becoming financially independent, becoming emotionally mature, participating in society on the level of your fellow grown-up pe…

My seven year old changes the oil (I loosen the oil filter and remove the drain plug after he's told me to), works with (real) hammer and nails, and traverses overgrown hills without slowing down his infantry-serving father's pace. Is he a man at seven?

Or for that matter, my neighbor's six year old herds the sheep all day in the sun, unattended. He is responsible to bring his own food and water, and tend to the sheeps' needs such as food and water, and actively herding them. Is that six year old a man?

How is a 22 year old person who crosses an ocean and gains admittance to one of the most secluded nations on earth, by way of other nations, considered a boy?

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by DocTomoe » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:35 AM UTC

ahtihn wrote: post #29

jleyank wrote: post #3

This is where ethics and money collide. If you participate, you’re complicit. The players are comfortable enough to say no, and the punters can stick to the local pub or even bite hard and “stay home” entirely - let the advertisers know. Talk it cheap. Actions mean more but both have costs. Willing to pay?

> The players are comfortable enough to say no Not if saying no risks ending your career. You don't become a pro football player and play in the world cup just for thr money.

"Just doing my job" hasn't been a valid excuse for accepting crimes against humanity ever since 1945. Sometimes doing the right thing comes with a cost, and sometimes, that cost is non-negotiable.

Re: One-night stands will be illegal at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar

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Post by qubex » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:35 AM UTC

I’ve never been interested in football, I’ve never watched it, and this basically ensures I never will.

Basically it means that if I and my girlfriend went there we’d be considered criminals if we had sex? This is absolutely absurd. I understand that this is all about money and that FIFA is probably one of the most corrupt organisations in the world, but how on Earth did they come to think that westerners worldwide would be OK with this?