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Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence

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Post by random314 » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 2:27 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #638

triceratops wrote: post #637

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> What’s happening in India is merely the westernized elite losing their grip on culture It can be both simultaneously. > the desire of Indians to have their country without other people in it It's a bit more than that though. I don't think you know enough, sorry.

Feel free to educate me. I’m from neighboring Bangladesh, and the situation with pluralism in India seems like the situation with secularism in Bangladesh. Western educated elites trying to impose it on a larger population that doesn’t want it. Or at least has a vastly narrower conception of it than the elites do. At the end of the day, Bangladesh exists because Bangladeshis wanted a country for Bangali Muslims. Most…

> The Brexiter and the average Bangladeshi are ideologically on the same ground.

Except you forgot to include the part where Greater Pakistan military overturned the democratically elected Bengali prime minister, so that Bhutto could hold onto power as Bengalis are unfit to lead. You also forgot to mention that Pakistani military killed a million plus Bangladeshis.

Please point out where the EU sent in an army to kill a million Brits.

You make so many bad faith arguments, its really nauseating to sit around correcting all of your Gish Gallops.

Waiting to hear from you how the independence of African nations and the overturning of Apartheid was an act of racism/ethnocentrism by black people against white people.

Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence

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Post by yung_steezy » Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 10:05 PM UTC

bestinterest wrote: post #19

I voted no last time round as I was not convinced on the economic side of things. Truthfully I'm still not convinced but I'm finding it hard to justify staying on the sinking ship of the UK. I'd rather fail as a country by our own decisions rather than the Scottish government always being able to point to Westminister for failure. I wish more world wide economists took time to write arguments for/against Scottish ind…

Scotland would make a good tax haven since it has a relatively small, homogeneous, and centralised population.

Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence

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Post by mvc » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 9:57 AM UTC

ggm wrote: post #658

mvc wrote: post #635

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> Scotland will make shitloads exporting hydro electricity I doubt that. Hydro doesn't seem very exportable. hydro-tech should be though and Scotland could be well placed to attract investment in that (if only we weren't losing so many scientists to the EU)

Scotland exported 19Twh of electricity to England in 2021, which was about 30% of its generating capacity. It represented around 10% of english electricity power needs. It's on a growth trend, the wind farm on dogger bank may alter the balance.

> Scotland exported 19Twh of electricity to England in 2021, which was about 30% of its generating capacity.

True but the rate it gets for that electricity is lower than the rate recieved by power companies operating in the south. This is because there is an operating cost of maintaining the network that allows the energy to flow to the point of use. The cost of getting it to Europe would be even greater.

http://www.scottishenergynews.com/higher-connection-charges-...

Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence

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Post by mvc » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 10:29 AM UTC

maratc wrote: post #639

mvc wrote: post #627

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You ignored this part of parent's response. "The EU would have less of an influence than Westminster does" For example. Did the UK require permission from the EU in order to hold the Brexit referendum?

Is your argument that there would be less dependence on Brussels than there is on Westminster? Because my argument is that “less dependence” is not what independence is.

I'm not particularly interested in debating what exactly independence means in the abstract. But to my untrained political eye, it seems that countries are free to choose political and economic unions and those unions tend to come with benefits and obligations.

Are members of the UN or WTO independent?

If a body consisting of representatives elected only by "Scottish citizens" can decide which unions to associate with, and which to leave, we'll have independence in my book.

Re: Scotland starts renewed case for independence

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Post by mvc » Wed, Jun 22, 2022, 11:04 AM UTC

ErikCorry wrote: post #651

mvc wrote: post #621

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> Having a huge land border which is an EU/non-EU border with customs controls would be massive economic disruption on both sides of the border. Is it really considered a huge border? There's only 5 roads that cross it.

29 by my count. It's a rural area and the border follows some rivers that have a limited number of bridges. No roads at all connect England with France, but Brexit still caused a lot of disruption.

> 29 by my count.

There's 5 "A" roads. Not sure how you got to 29 but my guess is there's going to be a lot of single-track lanes in that number. Hard to imagine huge trucks of counterfeit goods running up and down the B6318.

> No roads at all connect England with France, but Brexit still caused a lot of disruption.

The UK government said all these problems were caused by the intransigence of the EU so that need not be a problem this time.