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That was far more complicated than I would have imagined. Thank you for linking it.
It's microservices all the way down!
Microbe-services, probably
Potato diet community trial
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Re: Potato diet community trial
#112The arguments that people lost weight eating only potatoes is... not very strong, because you can lose weight eating only pizza or whatever as well. It's weak non-science. Any diet that says "only eat X" is a red flag in my not so humble opinion. It's trying to make it easy for you, while the hard part that most people don't want to confront is learning to cook, actually cooking, and eating steadily. Few people that…
> It's weak non-science.
This type of restriction is often more about the mental, "lifestyle" part than biology. It's an alternative to calorie-counting, you automatically eat much less.
I went meat-only for a few months and then slowly transitioned to low carb (relative to western diets) paleo-ish. I now enjoy eating vegetables I never touched before. Penn Jillette said the same thing about the potato method, it was more about palet-cleansing for him than actually losing weight on the potato itself.
It also gave me the opportunity to learn about every ingredient as I added it back into rotation.
> is learning to cook, actually cooking, and eating steadily
I grew morbidly obese on >80% homecooking. It's actually about making the right choice, 10 to 20 times per day.
If you go potato-only, meat-only or whatever - you're eliminating a lot of bad choices. In the end, reading a lot about food allowed me to make informed decisions and that seems to work for the long haul.
> a regular eating pattern
And what is that supposed to be? SAD? There is no one-size-fits-all solution.
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#113One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…
I read just as much hocus pocus articles about "gut bacteria" then any "fad diets", and it all seems to boil down to "it looks important but we don't know how it works".
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Sorry but this is not compatible with the clinical evidence base: https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/files/docs/guidelines/ob_gdlns.pdf See page xxi, chapter A. Weight loss is recommended for lowering blood pressure, levels of total/LDL cholesterol, and blood glucose, and for blood pressure and blood glucose these effects have also been shown in RCTs with weight lowering medications, so we can't say they were due to more heal…
I wasn't arguing that being overweight is healthy. I was just saying that losing weight will lead to bad health if the way you lose weight is by depriving yourself of nutrients needed for your body to function properly. Potatoes lack a lot of vitamins and nutrients needed in order for them to be the sole food you can eat and stay healthy.
Ah, that’s fair, I thought you were arguing that the health benefits seen from weight loss can be attributed to healthier diets alone.
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I really want a huge tech tree and flowchart of all the things these microbes love to eat and everything like that. Not really to provide an argument for only potatoes, but to perhaps have stronger ideas about the value of certain kinds of food I want to get beyond the boring "too much of anything is bad". Of course it is! That's what "too much" means!
http://biochemical-pathways.com Well, have fun!
Worth noting you can get a free poster of these, which are great for the wall and the wow factor. Took a few months for mine too arrive.
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Potatoes are cheap af what do you mean?
Quick back of the envelope numbers. At Tesco's you can get potatoes for £0.36/kg. 1kg = ~2.2lb, so ~£0.165/lb. Even at the higher daily consumption in this thread, 10lb/day, that's £1.65 daily cost of food. I imagine the only way to go cheaper is by dumpster diving.
Potatoes[0]: £0.36/770kcal[1]
Rice[2]: £0.45/3650kcal[3]
Pasta[4]: £0.46/3710kcal[5]
Normalized to rice:
Potatoes: 3.79 rice_cost_units/kcal
Rice: 1.00 rice_cost_units/kcal
Pasta: 1.01 rice_cost_units/kcal
Tesco does not list calories for potatoes, and for the dry foods only provides calories for the cooked result, so I used values from the USDA nutrient database. The value for potatoes is optimistic, because the cheap potatoes are "imperfect", which suggests there will be significant loss from trimming inedible parts. Assuming efficient technique (pre-soaking dry foods, chopping potatoes small, reducing heat input to minimum once at temperature, covering cooking pots, using insulated pots if possible), cooking cost will probably be similar for all three, although pasta can be eaten "al dente" (undercooked), which might let it beat rice for total cost.
[0] https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/292332517
[1] https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/170026/n...
[2] https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/300843799
[3] https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/169756/n...
[4] https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/297844134
[5] https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/fdc-app.html#/food-details/168927/n...
Re: Potato diet community trial
#117One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…
I'm a big believer in the idea that diet can influence the microbiome but current science does not support the above statements.
While diet can induce a shift in the gut microbiota, these changes appear to be temporary. Whether prolonged dietary changes can induce permanent alterations in the gut microbiota is unknown
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6950569/#:~:tex...
I am unaware of dietary induced lactose intolerance as a thing. I tried to google it and can't find support for the idea.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/lactose-intolerance-101
As far as I know, lactose tolerance is the exception for the human race and it is deemed to be genetic. Many humans are lactose intolerant by default.
According to the following source, 65 percent of humans are lactose intolerant and up to 100 percent of the population in some sub groups are lactose intolerant.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/lactose-i...
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#118My long-running pet theory is that eating a large variety of foods is bad for our gut biome. Between breakfast, lunch, and dinner, our intestinal flora cycles through blooms and die-offs of different bacteria. The blooms interfere with bacteria diversity, while the die-offs create waves of toxins that trigger our immune systems. To give an analogy, it's a bit like an ecology having its climate messed with. Imagine a…
People lived normal happy lives for thousands of years on varied diets, not sure what else you could possibly want.
I guess maybe they were serially varied, as food is gathered or harvested in season, rather than simultaneously varied though?
So you might eat a wide variety of things during the year, but for weeks at a time you might be eating lots of just the few things that are currently available
Not saying that is the case, I don't know, but I would not totally dismiss OP idea out of hand
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#119Hot take: Just eat a balanced meal, traditional meals are usually good, anything homemade in moderation, as long as it has veggies, protein, and some fresh veggies rich in vitamins every now and then. Drink water, eat in moderation, and see a doctor if you have issues with it (there are plenty of issues which can cause a misbehaved appetite). And please, for the love of god, don't do any "only X" diets. Just eat bala…
the main claim of the authors is Lithium contamination causing obesity, their hypothesis is that sticking to potatoes can avoid that somehow
Do they discuss that elsewhere? I didn't see Lithium mentioned once in the linked article
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http://biochemical-pathways.com Well, have fun!
Worth noting you can get a free poster of these, which are great for the wall and the wow factor. Took a few months for mine too arrive.
That sounds awesome! How does one order a free poster? I don't see an obvious link to click on the website