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Re: Potato diet community trial

#101

Any X-only diet doesn't seem healthy to me. There is no magical ingredient and we are omnivorous. Sure you can reduce weight with many types of different diets but it doesn't mean it is good for your health. It is better to develop good healthy habits than you can maintain for years and also while socializing and living in family.

Telling an obese person to develop good healthy habits is like telling an alcoholic to drink with moderation. The theory is sound but it get crushed once it gets IRL.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#102
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you start sedentary and with a bit of extra weight? It would make sense if you started strength training at the same time and benefited from 'noob gains' Also the other fellow might be referencing EVOO's low smoke point, it's true there isn't much point using it for high heat cooking.

My sport is cycling, when I started on keto my power metrics jumped up, from an FTP of about 220 W in August 2021 to currently 276 W, where it's plateaued for the last few months. My legs are also visibly much bigger and harder. I get the feeling that it is possible to gain muscle on keto, it's just being low-carb doesn't lend itself to high-intensity efforts, so at some point you just can't put out enough effort to…

I imagine there's probably some direct impact to muscle anabolism as well, since the anabolic hormone insulin has a low and stable profile on keto. Really interesting though to hear how your power increased.

Taking carbs on big effort days seems like the best of both worlds, fat adapted but able to take advantage of both energy systems. I think on Inigo san Milan's first appearance on Peter Attia's podcast they got into this a bit, also mentioned that high level fat adapted cyclists could do a few hundred grams of carbs in a day and still maintain ketosis

Re: Potato diet community trial

#103
The arguments that people lost weight eating only potatoes is... not very strong, because you can lose weight eating only pizza or whatever as well. It's weak non-science.

Any diet that says "only eat X" is a red flag in my not so humble opinion. It's trying to make it easy for you, while the hard part that most people don't want to confront is learning to cook, actually cooking, and eating steadily. Few people that start a diet start off with having a regular eating pattern in the first place.

Diets don't last either; they're too big a change from your norm. The diet yoyo effect is from people starting a diet, and either slowly going back to their old habits or stopping and changing back completely after a few weeks / whenever their initial goal has been achieved.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#104
post #18

One word of caution on these "only this diet". Your gut bacteria is a jungle with many species of microbes, trillions of them. They basically fight for territory and some subspecies will die if you stop injecting . So if you are not lactose intolerant and get off lactose for 6-9 months, don't expect that your belly will react well to a glass of milk in a year. I'm all for _reducing_ X and Y. But completely going pola…

anecdotal but I didn't eat meat for about 8 years and had absolutely no problems transitioning back to frequent carnivory, despite reading many warnings much like yours. Different strokes I guess.

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#105
post #4

> It sounds like a dumb gimmick that could never work, but there are a surprising number of people out there saying that they tried it, it worked for them, and they kept the weight off for months or even years after. Losing weight isn't causal to being healthy. In most cases it correlates because gaining weight is usually done through eating unhealthy (excess calories, refined sugars, etc.) so going on a healthy diet…

The term 'healthy' is thrown around too easily and conflated with 'low calorie food'; I try to call out people who call food healthy too easily.

That said, being overweight (fat) is not where you want to be at, it results in big and small health issues like joint troubles, high blood pressure, diabetes, and finding trivial things like getting up from the couch or walking up the stairs difficult.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#106
Actually this has already been done, it was how we discovered that potatoes are not toxic. For centuries everyone believed that were super toxic and throw them in the woods in hoping of killing wolfs and boars. During one the many war between french and germans, french has captured a POW and as torture they fed him only with potatoes for more than a year, thinking of slowly killing him. He went out of prison in better shape than when he entered

Re: Potato diet community trial

#107
Potatoes give me heartburn, so that's right out for me. Besides:

> Magician Penn Jillette lost over 100 lbs using a strategy that started with two weeks of a potato-only diet, and seems to be keeping it off

I know this because Kevin Smith started in a similar way after talking to him, and discussed it on his podcasts; it follows the teaching of some other guy who wrote a book and works as personal dietician.

The thing is: that initial stint was meant to effectively wean them off carbs. By bombarding the body with the same complex carbs for an extended period, they got so tired of them that they actually switched to craving less starchy foodstuff. It also "reset" their psychological attitude to food: because after a while you are kinda disgusted by potatoes, you stop eating for pleasure, and figure out how to eat only when strictly necessary. Obviously they both moved on to more balanced diets after a month or two.

So yeah, it can work in the short term, as a gateway to something better. But it's not a sustainable diet.

Re: Potato diet community trial

#108

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Potatoes are cheap af what do you mean?

Quick back of the envelope numbers. At Tesco's you can get potatoes for £0.36/kg. 1kg = ~2.2lb, so ~£0.165/lb. Even at the higher daily consumption in this thread, 10lb/day, that's £1.65 daily cost of food. I imagine the only way to go cheaper is by dumpster diving.

A loaf of bread is pretty conveniently 2000 calories, and costs £0.40 if you buy a cheap one. Less nutritious than a potato though!

Re: Potato diet community trial

#110
post #4

> It sounds like a dumb gimmick that could never work, but there are a surprising number of people out there saying that they tried it, it worked for them, and they kept the weight off for months or even years after. Losing weight isn't causal to being healthy. In most cases it correlates because gaining weight is usually done through eating unhealthy (excess calories, refined sugars, etc.) so going on a healthy diet…

It is still causal. You can't add sum of components that "eating x is overall worse than y because it is better in one thing but worse in another". It's hard to compare two axis and specially if one axis is unscientific land of hormone disturbance.

Replacing obesity with malnutrition will still leave you unhealthy but with different health problems.

Also hormone imbalance isn't unscientific. It has been widely been studied that women will have their periods change timing when malnourished.

Anectdotally: I had my testosterone levels wiped out when switching from a diet with excess calories to a one with not enough calories and nutrients. The condition fixed itself when I started practicing a balanced diet (with exercises).

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