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TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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Blockchain technology is heavily underrated. With this dip, it scared away all of the scammers, paper handers, and generally people that did not contribute to this space. This is the time where innovation will thrive rather than "get rich quick schemes".

As a rule of thumb, I distrust anyone who refers to blockchain as a "space".

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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post #31

I occasionally get asked by relatives and friends of what to invest in. Now I'm no expert but I guess in the valley of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Thing is what I tell them seems to bore them because, well, it's boring. My advice is basically this: Put your money in a broad index fund and don't look at it for 10 years. In giving this advice you start to realize it's not what people want to hear. It's not that…

There's a meaningful difference between putting <10% of your portfolio into a speculative investment versus 100%. If your speculative investments moon anyways, 10% * a large number = still a large number, and you didn't bet the farm. It's a good way to fulfill one's desire to be an active investor, while largely acknowledging most of us won't beat the S&P-- I know the active portion of my own portfolio (no crypto) has underperformed the index.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

#83
post #7

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If you’re getting 15% returns you better realize you’re exposed to something !

I have a friend who lost about $5k in the Terra crash. So not a lot, but he'd rather have $5k than zero. And when he was telling me about it before putting money in he was talking about the 15% thing and that it seemed like easy money, and I said something like "well unless the whole thing just goes to zero". And you could tell he just didn't see that as a possibility. Like he's not completely blind, he knew he could lose money, although mainly he was thinking about them not paying 15% and him being able to withdraw at any time. But he hadn't given any thought to the whole thing just collapsing.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

#84
post #49

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Perhaps they knew what they were doing just as startup investors take a calculated risk that their doggy social networking site might not be the next big thing?

"calculated risk" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. "Wishful thinking" is the more likely culprit

Sam Altman invested in Worldcoin. And VC’s are investing in crypto startups as well.

Is there a YC partner that has never invested in a crypto company? I would love to know.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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I occasionally get asked by relatives and friends of what to invest in. Now I'm no expert but I guess in the valley of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Thing is what I tell them seems to bore them because, well, it's boring. My advice is basically this: Put your money in a broad index fund and don't look at it for 10 years. In giving this advice you start to realize it's not what people want to hear. It's not that…

> It's not that they want to get rich quick. They just want to make a lot of money really fast. In their defence, I feel like this is fuelled by media FUD as well as FOMO from the ever-widening wealth gap. A combination of inflation and unaffordable housing along with stagnant wages means that even with everyone in the family working jobs, you can’t even afford a yearly vacation. If the wealthy elites don’t realise t…

I agree, which is why everyone who lives off an income rather than assets (which is ~99.5% of us) should be a leftist and support labor organization as that is the only thing that'll actually improve their material conditions.

And I mean leftist in the actual sense, not a feckless liberal in the US Democratic Party sense who still ultimately exist to defend the capital-owning class.

The so-called Great Resignation and worker shortage was really the first increase in real wages many had seen in 40 years. And what's happened since? Massive inflation, particularly of essentials like housing. That's not an accident. The system is designed such that a budget shortfall is built into your existence. A workforce that is living paycheck-to-paycheck and barely hanging on is a compliant workforce. They're definitely showing up to work and not making trouble. That's the point.

Working people of any race, gender, sexual orientation or age have way more in common with each other than they do with the capital-owning class who routinely create wedge issues to avoid any sort of class solidarity.

But people don't want to hear that either.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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post #74

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I've literally never heard of anyone referring to index funds that way. You're not making any sense at all.

I assume when people say savings they mean investments. Because it would be stupid not to invest a large cash position.

You would be surprised at the number of generally math-savvy (at least “enough”) people who have an irrational fear of “what if it goes down?” and fritter away decades of substantial growth (with each foregone decade skipping roughlh modeled as a missed doubling).

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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post #53
post #31

I occasionally get asked by relatives and friends of what to invest in. Now I'm no expert but I guess in the valley of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Thing is what I tell them seems to bore them because, well, it's boring. My advice is basically this: Put your money in a broad index fund and don't look at it for 10 years. In giving this advice you start to realize it's not what people want to hear. It's not that…

> It's not that they want to get rich quick. They just want to make a lot of money really fast. In their defence, I feel like this is fuelled by media FUD as well as FOMO from the ever-widening wealth gap. A combination of inflation and unaffordable housing along with stagnant wages means that even with everyone in the family working jobs, you can’t even afford a yearly vacation. If the wealthy elites don’t realise t…

Don't forget self funded retirement. I'd rather not be "in the market" at all due to the risk, but just saving money has become a pointless exercise.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

#88
post #19

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That assumes you are able to hold a short position for the indefinitely long irrational period in which the bubble can grow unpredictably large and your gains increasingly negative. It’s therefore also irrational to take a short position. The sensible thing to do was to stay away - and I think it’s perfectly fine for people who did so to smugly say ‘I told you so,’ presuming they did indeed do that.

Surely if you believe crypto is coming to an end in the next few years there is some way to profit.

You never know how long they’re going to be able to prop up the scams. Additionally, many of the big exchanges, being unregulated, are alleged to (either directly, or through large players they’re associated with) manipulate the market and trade against customers. Front running, etc.

Put up a large short position, and soon enough there will be a pump and dump to liquidate it. And if you do make money, have you noticed that these exchanges often go down for “maintenance” when big price movements are happening? There’s no guarantee you’ll be able to close out a position when you need to.

The only way to win is not to play.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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post #62
post #53

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> It's not that they want to get rich quick. They just want to make a lot of money really fast. In their defence, I feel like this is fuelled by media FUD as well as FOMO from the ever-widening wealth gap. A combination of inflation and unaffordable housing along with stagnant wages means that even with everyone in the family working jobs, you can’t even afford a yearly vacation. If the wealthy elites don’t realise t…

Exactly, people aren’t always stupid, they’re desperate. Investing in index funds at ~6% average return (or thereabouts) does nothing meaningful for people who are priced out by the 10-15% y/y gains on housing, or are living paycheck to paycheck due to inflation. Its not so hard to see why people feel their only option is riskier bets.

>does nothing meaningful for people who are priced out by the 10-15% y/y gains on housing

Housing never had gains that high. Looking at the rise from the last trough (ie. 2009 to today) works out to 5.3% annualized nationwide[1]. Meanwhile the Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund returned 12.4% in the same time period. If you look around at a few different metros, there are many cities that return higher (eg. 7.5% for LA[2]), but none are anywhere close to returns for the index fund. The best I found was arizona[3] with 9.1%.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LXXRSA

[3] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PHXRSA

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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Just short $MSTR. Easy.

Maybe most people already have a job which they spend time and get money in return, so why would they spend even more of their free time in pursuit of a little bit more money? Life is more than money anyways

People are naturally greedy. Plenty of developers sacrifice their relationships, health, and appearance for high comp packages.
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