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Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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I occasionally get asked by relatives and friends of what to invest in. Now I'm no expert but I guess in the valley of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Thing is what I tell them seems to bore them because, well, it's boring. My advice is basically this: Put your money in a broad index fund and don't look at it for 10 years. In giving this advice you start to realize it's not what people want to hear. It's not that…

I think index funds are better seen as "savings" than "investments" in most people's mind.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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I occasionally get asked by relatives and friends of what to invest in. Now I'm no expert but I guess in the valley of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Thing is what I tell them seems to bore them because, well, it's boring. My advice is basically this: Put your money in a broad index fund and don't look at it for 10 years. In giving this advice you start to realize it's not what people want to hear. It's not that…

> It's not that they want to get rich quick. They just want to make a lot of money really fast.

In their defence, I feel like this is fuelled by media FUD as well as FOMO from the ever-widening wealth gap.

A combination of inflation and unaffordable housing along with stagnant wages means that even with everyone in the family working jobs, you can’t even afford a yearly vacation.

If the wealthy elites don’t realise that this isn’t sustainable, I’m not sure where we will be in a few years…

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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> Keith Baldwin, a 44-year-old surgeon who lives outside New Bedford, Mass., saved $177,000 during the past decade. Last year he took his savings and bought USD Coin, putting it in a crypto account that paid a 9% annual yield.

A surgeon saved 177k over 10 years? Something else might be going on here.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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Ok I’ve never tried to look into TerraUSD or other stablecoins before.

So I have $100. I use that to buy $100 worth of Terra because it’s pegged to USD.

Then I can.. sell it for $100? What’s the point?

If they promise returns where are they supposed to come from? If my coins are pegged to USD how do they appreciate? Or is the idea they just give me more for holding?

But if the coins are pegged where do they get the money for the new coins they’re giving me?

If they don’t promise returns why would anyone invest in a stablecoin? If they give me more how is that not explicitly a pyramid scheme?

I can at least see the argument for BTC based on past appreciation. This I don’t get.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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post #31

I occasionally get asked by relatives and friends of what to invest in. Now I'm no expert but I guess in the valley of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Thing is what I tell them seems to bore them because, well, it's boring. My advice is basically this: Put your money in a broad index fund and don't look at it for 10 years. In giving this advice you start to realize it's not what people want to hear. It's not that…

In my experience, it seems that a lot of people have an un-stated gut feeling that "doing something" must out-perform passive dollar cost averaging a broad low-fee index ETF.

If we came up with some obfuscated mathematical dance that, if un-obfuscated, were obviously dollar cost averaging in a broad-based low-fee index ETF, I think it would be more popular.

Edit: There are also lots of investment strategies where people are short tail-risk and don't realize it or properly account for it. For instance, my dad is a pretty smart guy (practicing medical doctor who never got his undergrad degree because he crushed the MCATs and got into med school after 3 years of undergrad, back in the 1970s when med school was less competitive) but he's convinced that his gut-feeling covered calls out-perform a simple buy-and-hold (on a non-risk-adjusted basis). I don't doubt it's possible to out-perform on a risk-adjusted basis, and maybe even on a non-adjusted basis with careful enough analysis, but he's never performed any analysis on the opportunity cost that he has given up over the years. Without any attempts to model or otherwise estimate opportunity costs, I doubt it's likely he's actually out-performing. He sees that most days, he's out-performing, and in the rare cases where his calls get allocated, he just tells himself "well, at least the long stock position did very well". He's short the tail risk, but essentially largely ignores that part because it's hidden by the gains in his simultaneous long position. He feels good because he's doing extra work, and most days he's out-performing, so the gut feeling is that he's out-performing the market on a non-risk-adjusted basis.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I put my money where my mouth is by not investing in crypto???

This is still dismissing the con, not the people fooled. Blaming the victim, essentially.

They're a victim of their own voluntary financial decisions.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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It's starting to come out that all the crypto lenders were exposed to each other. Celsius was also a feeder to Anchor but they may have pulled out early enough to avoid most of the losses. Three Arrows Capital may have also been in Anchor.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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And an avalanche of "I told you so". Don't forget that part.

People are so smug when they say “I told you so.” It really bothers me. On every negative story about crypto, so many people comment “hur dur financial regulation dur”. But that’s so easy to say after the fact. If these people really could foresee these events happening, then they could have made a lot of money by taking short positions. That would be a lot more impressive to me than taking cheap opportunities to fee…

There is ample evidence before of people predicting pretty much everything that happened (with the exception of the bizarre transfer devices that evolved out of staking, tethering, contracts, etc.).

I think smugness is 100% warranted, especially given the intensity of the attacks from the other side.

Even your smugness with, "Well, if you're so smart why didn't you short and make a mint," is just sour grapes. Because shorting crypto required even more effed up investments into highly sketchy exchanges. There was really nothing to short in the traditional investment sense.

Re: TerraUSD crash led to vanished savings, shattered dreams

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post #55

Ok I’ve never tried to look into TerraUSD or other stablecoins before. So I have $100. I use that to buy $100 worth of Terra because it’s pegged to USD. Then I can.. sell it for $100? What’s the point? If they promise returns where are they supposed to come from? If my coins are pegged to USD how do they appreciate? Or is the idea they just give me more for holding? But if the coins are pegged where do they get the m…

>If my coins are pegged to USD how do they appreciate?

Staking rewards. It's marketed as a necessary feature of PoS cryptocurrencies, but it isn't really necessary if the cryptocurrency is actually centralized anyways. Centralized cryptocurrencies like USDT just use it to entice buyers with rewards for just holding it, creating inflation at the cost of everyone else.

This is a major reason against Proof-of-Stake: if you don't reward stakers, then they will be incentivized to abuse their powers and double spend. If you do reward stakers, it creates a ponzi-like incentive structure like this.

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