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Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by attentive »

lveillard wrote: post #403

Guys you're getting a lot of bad comments for one simple reason. You failed your delivery. 1) You should have managed the expectations of the users in a better way. Tell them it will become a paid feature from the begining, so nobody gets surprised 2) The way everyone unsderstood this today was too aggresive. An infinite warning in visual studio saying "hey, i've stop working, please sign up and pay or uninstall me".…

Worse yet, it's not available for the Orgs.

So now each individual developer using it for work suddenly has to either pony up $10/month or figure out how to expense it.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by danuker »

kweingar wrote: post #41
anon2020dot00 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My sincere question is what if a developer looks at some GPL code, and then that developer encounters a situation in a corporate project where-in he uses the GPL code from memory, is that already a violation? So to avoid a violation a developer needs to perform a mind-wipe?

If the code is nontrivial, then yes, it is a violation. To be in compliance, you need to write your own code. If I am writing a novel and I copy a section verbatim from another novel, I am infringing on the other novelist's copyright, regardless of whether I wrote it from memory or not. And this makes sense. For a trivial operation, there might be only one way to write the code. That's not copyright infringement, jus…

fair use != trivial

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by goatlover »

paskozdilar wrote: post #414
datatrashfire wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can almost envision a future where human devs write tests, code generating frameworks build code from a spec.

I think that's the underlying idea of Logic Programming.

And UML diagrams.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by theshrike79 »

Coding with copilot is like working with a super eager low-quality outsourced programmer.

They kinda know what they're supposed to do. Sometimes they do the right thing, sometimes they get it completely wrong.

In either case you can never let anything they do get committed without a review.

So are they really helping?

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by goatlover »

evilduck wrote: post #402
jmkni wrote: post #306

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> I've been using Copilot non-stop > I am honestly flabbergasted they think it's worth 10$/mo These two statments seem contradictory to me. Why are you using it 'non-stop' if it isn't even worth $10/month?

GPT-3 and AI-enhanced code completion has had a ton of hype going on, up to and including claims that software development as a job is at existential risk. Using Copilot non-stop to investigate and understand why there's so much hype and coming away with the opinion that it's not worthy of $10/mo is not contradictory. Would you rather someone who hasn't used a product extensively make value claims?

It’s always like this with the latest AI. You would think people would learn, but nope same exaggerated claims every time.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by ggerganov »

$10/month is a perfect price - that was my exact estimate of what I was willing to pay for this service when it becomes non-free.

To everyone expecting Copilot to magically write the code they are thinking about - you are missing the point. There is a learning curve of using this service that allows you to be more efficient in expressing your ideas. It's not about doing all the work for you. It's like auto-complete on the next level.

Licensing concerns - oh come on.. what is the big deal? There are millions of "for (int i ..)" loops out there. Like anyone gives a damn about 5 auto-generate lines being _probably_ copied from somewhere. Moreover, if you used Copilot just a bit you would know that is not how it works.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by skohan »

lveillard wrote: post #403

Guys you're getting a lot of bad comments for one simple reason. You failed your delivery. 1) You should have managed the expectations of the users in a better way. Tell them it will become a paid feature from the begining, so nobody gets surprised 2) The way everyone unsderstood this today was too aggresive. An infinite warning in visual studio saying "hey, i've stop working, please sign up and pay or uninstall me".…

This is exactly why I don't like using MS tools. Relentless use of dark patterns and user-hostile behavior.

I don't want my code editor to try to up-sell me, ever.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by wiremine »

Hamcha wrote: post #195

I've been using Copilot non-stop on every hobby project I have ever since they've let me in (2021/07/13) and I am honestly flabbergasted they think it's worth 10$/mo. My experience using it till this day is the following: - It's an amazing all-rounder autocomplete for most boilerplate code. Generally anything that someone who's spent 5 minutes reading the code can do, Copilot can do just as well. - It's terrible if y…

I'm the CTO for a small(ish) software consultancy. $10/month is a no-brainer price for just the "amazing all-rounder autocomplete". Spending $10/month/dev to help maximize highly billable engineers? It's well worth the price.

Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available

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Post by skohan »

johnfn wrote: post #190
candiddevmike wrote: post #110

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That money isn't going to the folks who wrote the code to begin with though. I think that's where "it should be free" has merit, GitHub is making money on the backs of others.

What? Should I have to reimburse the author of every tutorial and Stack Overflow post I read on my journey to becoming a software engineer?

If Stack Overflow sold its services as a subscription service, then maybe you would feel entitled to a share of the profit off of your work.
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