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Post by kentonv »

eyberg wrote: post #116

I don't know if marketing was involved with using the term 'isolate' or not but if they are isolates as described by companies such as Cloudflare and Google, it might help to speak a bit more about the actual implementation at the infrastructure level. Isolates are a really interesting approach to deal with the inherent nature of scripting languages to deal with the lack of threads as most scripting languages are inh…

> Having said that, they should never be considered as a multi-tenant (N customers) isolation 'security' barrier. They are there for scaling not security.

V8 isolates are absolutely designed for security. For 10 years V8 was the only security barrier between sites in Chrome. Now they have retrofitted strict site isolation for defense-in-depth, but that doesn't mean the V8 team suddenly doesn't care about security. Chrome wants both layers to be secure and will pay a bug bounty if you break either one.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

brundolf wrote: post #126
IshKebab wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like they have a better business plan than NPM did at least. They'll probably get acquired by one of the big cloud players.

I guess that makes some sense. Still feels like it would be a weird thing to aim for, but maybe that's the state of the industry

Pecunia non olet. If the goal is to make money, an exit via acquisition is one potential way to make money

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by pharmakom »

Deno sounds like a powerful runtime, but what is there to sell?

I won’t build on anything that isn’t permissively licensed. They can’t charge for anything without license protection.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by edgyquant »

dntrkv wrote: post #72
brtkdotse wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s amusing to see a whole generation of senior developers (“senior” as in 5+ years of experience) that haven’t experienced web development without React[0] and who proceed to reinvent PHP/ASP.NET/RoR. [0] Used here as shorthand for “modern js driven development”

Such a tiring take... Nobody is reinventing PHP or RoR development. What is happening is the community taking all our favorite parts of these stacks and combining and implementing them in ways that facilitate a dev experience that we could only have dreamed of back in the PHP/RoR days. - Senior dev that started off in the PHP and then RoR days

Yep totally agree with this.

- Engineering Lead who got his start in PHP/ASP(pre .net) and loves the modern ecosystem despite its flaws

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by speed_spread »

thegeomaster wrote: post #58
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #15

> Early in cloud computing, virtual machines were the compute abstraction […] This is funny to me because serverless sounds to me like the return of PHP (etc) shared hosting. What's old is new again?

I changed my view on this―I hated how things were going full circle. But in reality, human civilization loves overdoing a particular direction and then reverts to the mean. You see this with the economy, moral fashions, everything. I am an optimist in that I (have started to) believe that this slowly allows us to converge on better solutions for everything. PHP was easy to set up, easy to host, easy to understand and…

We didn't go back far enough, CGI is still where it's at.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by blobbers »

It will be interesting to see if Deno can provide the level of productivity improvement node.js delivered (was supposed to deliver? continues to deliver?).

It's one thing for it to claim supremacy over node, but can it attract the TJ Holowaychuk's of the world and truly generate a full ecosystem.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by gtirloni »

erk__ wrote: post #136
pharmakom wrote: post #133

Deno sounds like a powerful runtime, but what is there to sell? I won’t build on anything that isn’t permissively licensed. They can’t charge for anything without license protection.

They are selling a global Deno hosting service https://deno.com/deploy

Is it Docker Inc all over again?

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by 0des »

speed_spread wrote: post #135
thegeomaster wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I changed my view on this―I hated how things were going full circle. But in reality, human civilization loves overdoing a particular direction and then reverts to the mean. You see this with the economy, moral fashions, everything. I am an optimist in that I (have started to) believe that this slowly allows us to converge on better solutions for everything. PHP was easy to set up, easy to host, easy to understand and…

We didn't go back far enough, CGI is still where it's at.

perl did nothing wrong
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