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Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by mrkurt »

vincentmarle wrote: post #54
pcj-github wrote: post #39

Comments are a bit negative. I for one think they are onto something here. Surprised it's only 21M. I would have expected in these market conditions to beef up more for the next 2-3 years.

> Surprised it's only 21M. Indeed, especially when you compare with a company such as Supabase (which is working on way less interesting technology imho) who just raised $80M: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31328783

Deno probably would have raised $80M if they'd raised the same time Supabase did. Investors got quite a bit more tight fisted between January and April.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by kbd »

mrkurt wrote: post #75
vlunkr wrote: post #69

This question is going to make me sound like a jerk, but why do you want to write your back-end in JS? Deno looks like a great improvement over node.js, but I don't feel compelled to use it. It seems like people jumped to node based on some performance promises that didn't really pay off (IMO). And since then, we have newer options like Rust, Go, and Elixir as performant back-end options, and even older choices like…

I like TypeScript and would like to write backends in TypeScript. I'm coming around on Elixir. I never want to write Go that interacts with a database again. Rust seems complicated. I don't think I'm smart or committed enough to get anywhere with rust.

> I never want to write Go that interacts with a database again.

Why? I’ve been using sqlx and it seems fine.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by DangitBobby »

mmastrac wrote: post #3

I played with an early version of Deno a few years back and it was already way more comfortable to use than node. It's a real counterexample to second-system syndrome. The only reason I didn't continue was a lack of ARM support.

I had a very different experience. I very much wanted to make it work, but trying to use it with existing npm packages and import maps was incredibly painful, and I ultimately switched over to node for that project.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by pdpi »

Zababa wrote: post #9

> Cold start (time to first response, ms) O(100) O(1000) O(10000) I think ~100 ~1000 ~10000 would be clearer than using the big O notation, since this has nothing to do with fuinctions.

I would read ~100 to mean "approximately 100", while O(100) to me reads like "measured in the hundreds". So 200-600ms cold starts are O(100) and 3-7s cold starts are O(1000).

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by Hamcha »

vlunkr wrote: post #69

This question is going to make me sound like a jerk, but why do you want to write your back-end in JS? Deno looks like a great improvement over node.js, but I don't feel compelled to use it. It seems like people jumped to node based on some performance promises that didn't really pay off (IMO). And since then, we have newer options like Rust, Go, and Elixir as performant back-end options, and even older choices like…

I use Deno from time to time, and in my opinion more than a back-end language it's a really powerful scripting language. Being able to reference libraries by URL and the Go-like standard library mixed with Typescript async makes it a breeze to develop simple one-use CLI tools!

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by mattlondon »

vlunkr wrote: post #69

This question is going to make me sound like a jerk, but why do you want to write your back-end in JS? Deno looks like a great improvement over node.js, but I don't feel compelled to use it. It seems like people jumped to node based on some performance promises that didn't really pay off (IMO). And since then, we have newer options like Rust, Go, and Elixir as performant back-end options, and even older choices like…

It uses typescript predominantly, and only compiles down to JavaScript. (I think you can code in plain JavaScript directly but I don't think anyone would want to do that)

The benefits are in my mind not that you can share code directly but more that the std lib is the same (mostly) between backend and frontend. This means no mental context switching for developers.

The other bonus is that typescript is just such a lovely thing to code in. Expressive, universal and ubiquitous, performant - modern JS is a joy to use (...if you don't need to use NPM... If you need to use NPM at all then it is a shit show)

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by nikanj »

bowsamic wrote: post #52
nikanj wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t get $21M from investors for nothing. They will force the square peg through the unicorn-shaped hole - or kill the company trying

> You don’t get $21M from investors for nothing. Do you think that investors see every company that isn't a unicorn as "nothing"? I think you're living in a fairytale

The VC model is not built on 10x exits. Later rounds, sure, but series A is definitely looking for larger multiplier.

Re: Deno raises $21M

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Post by threatofrain »

mrkurt wrote: post #65
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah unless I'm missing something isn't this just a stand alone company offering roughly workers?

This is an open source JavaScript runtime with a hosted business model. Deno is great. Deno Deploy is a reasonable way for them to make money.

CloudFlare workers is on my radar because of an ecology of other "edge" products that are in the works or already released. That's what Deno would need to catchup on to be on the table for discussion for me. Otherwise it remains a toy I use in my spare time (which I do enjoy at the moment).
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