10$/mo is pretty steep for something that gives you bad info 90% of the time, I will def be disabling. I was hoping for maybe 1-2$/mo, it's just a small addon feature after all
GitHub Copilot is generally available
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Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available
#302$10/mo is fine. I pay at least $10/mo for JetBrains products.
However I wish there was more competition. Github could rescind access to Copilot or charge $40/mo or it could slow down because their cloud is overloaded with new users, and I would be out of luck.
Tabnine and Kite are alternatives but I've heard they don't work nearly as well. I wish there were similarly-effective alternatives which charge similar rates for cloud hosting / profit, but open-source their datasets and algorithms, and just generally provide a fallback if Copilot's quality ever goes down.
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#303I've been using Copilot non-stop on every hobby project I have ever since they've let me in (2021/07/13) and I am honestly flabbergasted they think it's worth 10$/mo. My experience using it till this day is the following: - It's an amazing all-rounder autocomplete for most boilerplate code. Generally anything that someone who's spent 5 minutes reading the code can do, Copilot can do just as well. - It's terrible if y…
Github Copilot is on the fence for me between yes/no at $100 per year. I agree that you should rarely if ever allow Copilot to write multiple lines, as your double-checking or debugging time is going to exceed your time savings — the probability of good-looking but bad code is just that high right now. In order to experience a net time-win you'll likely want to be an intermediate at whatever you're doing. If it were…
In the long run, I expect very few people will pay for a dedicated Copilot account. It will get bundled in some "development enterprise bundle", heavily discounted. Employees in medium and large shops will just receive it as standard, with their VS or Github paid licenses. Which means it will actually cost half the sticker price.
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, if it's remixed to the point where most people don't go "hey that's Big Bird!" CoPilot doesn't, or at least doesn't always, like when it just copied Quake's fast inverse square code with the verbatim comments including profanity. Using CoPilot to create commercial code opens the coder to significant liability if there's enough money at stake.
That piece of code had duplicates in the training set making it prone to memorisation. Almost all generated code is original.
Almost all generated code is original
Good, you will almost not be liable for infringement.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Microsoft is selling AI services based on training data they don't own and didn't acquire rights to, nobody writing the licenses of the code it's using [...] I agree, but it still uses resources and those don't come for free (hardware, electricity, cooling, maintenance staff, housing, etc.) It's really difficult to assign monetary value to all these aspects and weighing them against each other in a fair manner. The…
I think copilot is pretty clearly copyright violation and in violation of licenses of "public" code. People uploading code to github are bound to the licenses just the same as anyone, unless you're the legitimate owner of all of the copyright in a codebase, you can't give change the license provisions by accepting a ToS. I don't think it's really that murky, these models contain and have been shown to reproduce copyr…
what's the difference between allowing you to search github and find a code snippet, and having a fancy autocomplete system search github and find a code snippet for you?
seems to me anyone agreeing to the ToS should expect their code to show up on other peoples screens as search results
really the question is a matter of degree, is copying your nested for-loop iterating through a row oriented matrix really a unique piece of code protected by copyright? Or does the copyright apply to the file you've written as a whole, leaving room for me to accidentally use words in the same order? clearly there is a tipping point between writing code that looks like yours and using the code you've written outside the terms of your license, we will have to wait for courts to decide where that line is for all ML, not just co-pilot
also copying is not theft
Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available
#306I've been using Copilot non-stop on every hobby project I have ever since they've let me in (2021/07/13) and I am honestly flabbergasted they think it's worth 10$/mo. My experience using it till this day is the following: - It's an amazing all-rounder autocomplete for most boilerplate code. Generally anything that someone who's spent 5 minutes reading the code can do, Copilot can do just as well. - It's terrible if y…
> I've been using Copilot non-stop
> I am honestly flabbergasted they think it's worth 10$/mo
These two statments seem contradictory to me. Why are you using it 'non-stop' if it isn't even worth $10/month?
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#307My unpopular take: most comments here are super entitled. To paraphrase: "sure it's minblowing and the biggest productivity gain in years, but I want it FREE". Yes. You got used to it being free. And now it's not. But $10/mo is a steal. It's more than fair and far, far less than they could get. And no. They don't owe you anything. In fact, they probably host your code (often free), and less directly provide your IDE…
> But $10/mo is a steal.
Isn't that up for us to decide?
For work yeah sure I have no problem.
But I've been using it at work and home and my hobbyist projects are hardly worth paying $10 a month to use it. So in that context it's pricey. That's not "entitlement" that's just the value of the product to me.
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#308Does copilot learn from and suggest patterns in the same codebase that you're working, or does it just pull from the huge pool of projects on GH? How well does copilot help with languages like Elixir that are less common? WIth TypeScript it's been remarkable, but that's one of the most popular and surely very familiar to devs and GH, so I would expect less popular like Elixir to not perform as well. Does copilot work…
I've played with it a little bit: Copilot did pretty poorly when I tried using it with Julia- it kept suggesting Python code. I suspect it would do something similar in Elixir. I'm also a vim person who doesn't want to use VS code, but I've gotten more than enough value to get into my first IDE (with vim keybindings). A lot of tedious C++ code is getting correctly auto-generated.
I don't think c++ is even on their supported language? the copilot page lists python,js,ts,ruby,go.
Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available
#309This has been the biggest productivity improvement to my workflow in years
No it doesn't "understand what I'm doing" or "get everything right" but that's hardly the point
It's often reducing the amount of labor I'm doing by hitting the keyboard by guessing 90% correctly what I was going to type
It also often saves me from having to google how to do something, it's effectively serving me a search result right along my code
I'm lucky to be getting it for free but would have immediately paid $10. It needs to only save you minutes a month for that to be worth it
Also the comments about it being "unfair their monetizing other people's work" are missing the point.
Github has created a product that many people use and through that effort created a large repository of code.
They are now releasing a product that is going to create a large amount of of value in time saved and are maybe capturing 2% of that. This is a great outcome for everyone
Re: GitHub Copilot is generally available
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
> train on open source projects To be specific, the FAQ states: "It has been trained on natural language text and source code from publicly available sources, including code in public repositories on GitHub." Some have raised concerns that Copilot violates at least the spirit of many open source licenses, laundering otherwise unusable code by sprinkling magic AI dust... most likely leaving the Copilot user responsibl…
This is legit. While it seems it takes forever to bring this kind of stuff to trial, it will be an interesting case for sure. Especially in the broader more general sense. AI is just recomposition of existing snippets of code, art, text, music, etc. Does an AI fall under fair use? What happens when an AI produces something too similar to an existing work or trademark. I know the computer won't get sued, the owner/use…
> AI is just recomposition of existing snippets of code, art, text, music, etc.
It's not random recomposition, which is worthless. It's useful recomposition, adapted to the request and context. It adds something of its own to the mix.