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Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Why did you call it Avo? I'm curious because I know of at least 4 SaaS companies called Avo.

The original name was project Avocado, but I didn't find any good domain names and social media handles. I agree the naming could have been better.

I like it. Its better than naming it something with "rails" embedded like "trailsblazer".

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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This is a serious question: Do any of you folks get paid good money to start projects? In my career I have "started" projects for maybe 2-5% of my time. All of the real effort goes in to massaging the app to actually solve unique business problems, about 80-90% on edge cases. Bold and cynical claim: Making and selling apps like this is akin to building a social media brand about building social media brands. The prob…

I've been working on four projects in the last 12 months. I helped starting one of them in 2017 (Elixir / Phoenix.) I inherited a RoR one in 2012 and two Django ones in 2016 and 2019.

Given the long life of projects that make money one doesn't start many of them but being able to show something in a short time is important. It helps to focus on features and not to get lost in architectural yak shaving.

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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The "one year of updates" thing is kind of confusing. What if an app has a longer lifetime than that? Can you no longer get updates to Avo? What about bugs and security updates? I think you're over-complicating the pricing. Why not just say it's $250 per project per year? You can still keep the fallback option and explain it in your FAQ. It would be more immediately understandable this way imo.

I tried that and the question that popped up was "what if I don't pay anymore? will I not be able to use it then?". It kind of turned people away, and that's why I change the copy. If an app has a longer lifetime than a year, and I hope it does, then you'd have to resume the subscription to get the updates (bugs and security). It's the way the perpetual-fallback license works. There are plenty of products (table plus…

But you dont say how much the subscription is.

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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post #57

This is a serious question: Do any of you folks get paid good money to start projects? In my career I have "started" projects for maybe 2-5% of my time. All of the real effort goes in to massaging the app to actually solve unique business problems, about 80-90% on edge cases. Bold and cynical claim: Making and selling apps like this is akin to building a social media brand about building social media brands. The prob…

> Making and selling apps like this is akin to building a social media brand about building social media brands

So much this.

I really can't understand all the excitement above, unless you're starting a new proof of concept daily (but then, the price looks ridiculous) and you're ready for the "buy now - pay later" way of development. If "move fast break things" is still the thing in 2022, then it makes more sense to just draft an MVP in html/js with something like Firestore as a backend?

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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this is very very cool. Any plans of making this for the js ecosystem ? Unfortunately not all of us are on ruby...but everyone is on js. Would totally love something like this on React/Next.

> Unfortunately not all of us are on ruby...but everyone is on js. This is such an interesting statement.

Yeah, I can already see someone screenshoting and posting it to r/ProgrammerHumor

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Hey HN, I'm Adrian, an indie developer and creator of Avo. For more than ten years, I built countless admin panels and back-offices for all types of apps. After a while, you start to notice patterns and extract functionality away to make the job easier. I took those patterns and applied them to Avo. Now, in just an hour, a developer can build production-ready applications that with traditional coding techniques take…

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Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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This is a serious question: Do any of you folks get paid good money to start projects? In my career I have "started" projects for maybe 2-5% of my time. All of the real effort goes in to massaging the app to actually solve unique business problems, about 80-90% on edge cases. Bold and cynical claim: Making and selling apps like this is akin to building a social media brand about building social media brands. The prob…

A very pertinent question. If you're asking if Avo "pays the bills", it doesn't. I hope it will some day. Damn, I hope I earn money in some other way and donate Avo to Ruby central, becomes free so it becomes the default way of building Rails apps.

Until that time, I am pretty stocked that other developers want (and pay) to use something I've created.

Yeah, it takes a lot to build the messaging around a product. This current message "Build apps 10x faster" is probably the 10th or 20th iteration. I had to speak with a lot of users and try to figure out how it helps them in their daily dev life.

Building the product is the easy thing (for a developer), doing the marketing, steering it into the right direction, figuring out what the best features are, sales, funnels, etc. Those are the difficult things. They are difficult for me because I don't have a following.

Regarding your "Bold and cynical claim", I respect your opinion. I wouldn't go to say that everyone just want to build a following and launch useless product to achieve that.

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