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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Banana699 »

Kye wrote: post #226
Banana699 wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there no limit to the amount of "Standing up" or rules about when and with whom you do it? Because it seems to me that if some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence and become an insufferable walking-talking political billboard constantly shouting the same things regardless of context or consent of the people you're shouting at, seems to me like that's walking right into…

You have events mixed up. People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence. Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. That's what Pride is about . The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. It didn't work. The police came and attacked th…

>People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence

I didn't mix up the order of the two :

>>some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence

is saying the same thing as

>Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently.

>The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. Now we march and get in your face so you'll notice when someone tries to get rid of us.

So you mean to say that the identity obsession lgbt people seem to have is just a bizarre distress mechanism so that people constantly notice them and come to their help if somebody tries to be violent with them ? Can this possibly backfire when your presence become so invasive and annoying that you flip me from the [not caring whether you exist or not] state to the [actively wishing you don't exist] state ? Can you not see how a lot of people in the second state would bring about the very outcome you fear ?

Does your culture tell the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf ?

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Semiapies »

randyrand wrote: post #196
pickovven wrote: post #75

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When someone complains about politics infiltrating a space but is unwilling to name the specific politics, suggesting it's a general principle, they very likely have a problem with the specific politics. They see social costs in voicing that opinion, so they generalize it to some principle. Hard to imagine a minor annoyance of logo design would otherwise justify a public post. Living in a pluralistic, multi-cultural…

I think it’s actually possible to be against virtue signaling in and of itself. Changing your profile picture to “support” some cause has been ridiculed for years. Starving children don’t care what color your profile picture is, and it’s hypocritical to say you're a supporter when changing your profile picture is the most you’re actually willing to do, even if you have the means to give a dollar, or 5 minutes of your…

Anti Virtue signaling as a topic has been growing tremendously over the past 10 years

It's definitely been growing as a dog-whistling tactic. It's not like people don't notice that those who complain about "virtue signaling" tend to be very particular about what virtues they hate anyone supporting.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Banana699 »

Semiapies wrote: post #222
Jcowell wrote: post #108

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I mean let’s be clear here, we are taking about a symbol that’s for the backing of the rights of a group of people. There would be large problems for society as a whole if the pendulum swings the other way.

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Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Kye »

Banana699 wrote: post #231
Kye wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have events mixed up. People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence. Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. That's what Pride is about . The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space that was exactly as quiet as you would have preferred. It didn't work. The police came and attacked th…

>People act in the way you object to because others have politicized their existence I didn't mix up the order of the two : >>some people reject your existence, and in response you politicise your whole existence is saying the same thing as >Refusing to be quiet about who they are is a response to people trying to erase them, both culturally and violently. >The first one was a riot kicked off by cops invading a space…

In this allegory, the wolves are here, they've been here, and they keep coming. Nazis put people like me in the camps. The "good guys" left people like me there. The famous book burning photo everyone, including people who hate people like me, loves to post in relation to free speech was substantially the books of an era equivalent queer center.

Pride is about making you aware of this. The threat is real, and it's here. Now. There's a volley of legislative attacks on people like me at this very moment right here in the US. It follows a brief lull after a string of attacks on access to public life.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by native_samples »

rbanffy wrote: post #221
native_samples wrote: post #213

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Claiming that hard left politics isn't really politics at all, is a silly and transparent tactic which fools nobody. Imagine if half your app icons suddenly changed to incorporate dollar signs in celebration of Capitalism Month. Every day a new CEO is celebrated for their job creation prowess and you can't avoid it because it's everywhere. Would you simply shrug and say, well, we live in a capitalist country so it's…

> Imagine if half your app icons suddenly changed to incorporate dollar signs in celebration of Capitalism Month. Why would that be? Every month is "Capitalism Month". Also, I can't remember the last time capitalists (the ones with the capital, not their workers who aspire one day to have capital) were oppressed.

I knew someone would give this sort of thought terminating cliché as a reply. At least you aren't denying that these things are hard left politics.

Nobody ever overtly celebrates capitalism. It isn't true that there is such a thing as "capitalism month" in the same way there is pride month, with explicitly named events, flags suddenly popping up everywhere and so on. Communism has May 1st but capitalism? No. There never has been. You know this full well, which is why you have to lie to try and distract from the point - if there was such an event you'd hate it.

LGBT people aren't oppressed anywhere that celebrates pride day/week/month but at any rate, the obsession with dividing society into oppressed and oppressors is pure hard left ideology. Always was, since the days of Marx or even the French Revolution. It has no place being forced into people's lives via every possible angle - that is and always has been the strategy of highly destructive people.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by native_samples »

aaomidi wrote: post #230
native_samples wrote: post #212

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As someone else who was an SRE at Google years ago, you should indeed be very glad that we made hiring decisions based on merit and not personal politics. The SRE team I joined shortly after the IPO was dominated by libertarians and arch meritocrats who would have considered your attitude a clear firing offence. It was those sort of people who built the company. But who knows? Maybe we should have done background che…

Wouldn't have minded tbh, but yeah this is why I will never put myself in a position of making hiring decisions. I don't like deciding on the fate of others. It's not my place to do that. I've just seen teams go to shit when you have hateful people join it. So, I'm sharing my observations with that.

We've all seen that, but by far and away the most chaotic people at Google are the ones who think they're "fighting hate". How often do we read about some massive drama caused by activist employees trying to get each other fired over some perceived offense? Seems incredibly common these days. It never happened when I worked there, because we were primarily libertarian laissez-faire user-focused geeks. And yet there was also no problems with "hateful people".

Weird that, no? There was no drama or employee in-fighting, yet also no racism, sexism or homophobia. How ever did we manage that.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by Ekaros »

rbanffy wrote: post #2

How about no? If it's my app, I'll use my logo. I consider the logo an integral part of the application's identity and I should control its identity. I promise I'll do my best to make it easily and readily recognizable, regardless of it using national colors, a rainbow or shades of white, pink and blue. If you don't like it, it's your problem, not mine.

Yeah, it is your logo. But I also reasonably expect you not to change it every update.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by the_only_law »

barrysteve wrote: post #175
tadfisher wrote: post #162

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I would argue that practitioners of the faith rarely know the content of the faith they practice. Hence the extreme anti-LGBT stance pushed in their politics and preferred media, despite the conspicuous lack of relevant scripture. And this extremity is definitely something LGBT folks see all the time. Their states are passing laws banning them from sports and bathrooms. LGBT issues can no longer be mentioned in their…

I have zero interest in playing the 'pity card. Even though compassion is a good thing. I'm just saying the truth as I see it and think shared knowledge should be the basis of political unity, not activist tribalism.

> not activist tribalism

Ohh the irony.

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by the_only_law »

Semiapies wrote: post #222
Jcowell wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean let’s be clear here, we are taking about a symbol that’s for the backing of the rights of a group of people. There would be large problems for society as a whole if the pendulum swings the other way.

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Your ability to deduce the identities of anonymous downvoters and read their minds is simply amazing to me. How can I learn this art?

Re: Stop using app icons for political activism

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Post by UkrainianJew »

drewbug01 wrote: post #203
UkrainianJew wrote: post #201

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>there is no epidemic of LGBT people “grooming” children. It’s a made-up thing designed to whip up a frenzy of hatred towards LGBTQ people and justify rolling back civil rights. In a country of 300M+ people there will be always plenty of examples of both. And a civilized society would attempt to discern the 2 different behaviors and find a reasonable way to distinguish them formally. The media is not doing that - it…

> So it's important to make a distinction between behaviors (e.g. allowing gay people to marry) and affiliation (like identity-based quotas and virtue signalling), because the former is rather hard to abuse, and the latter is an abuser magnet. This is a pretty odd statement. In any case: if you want to try and split hairs about this, that’s your call. What I’ll say is this: nobody seemed to care much about a “groomin…

>In any case: if you want to try and split hairs about this, that’s your call. What I’ll say is this: nobody seemed to care much about a “grooming” epidemic until a few months ago, and since then it’s only been about LGBTQ people.

Not really. Mild and reasonable concerns have been raised on the right-wing websites for at least a year. The media swept it under the rug. Then the attention-seekers from the right side picked it up and started exaggerating the issue to get visibility to their personas. The media labeled them "far right extremists" and completely dismissed the point of their complaints. Now it's reaching the state where every meme-maker with an MS paint feels compelled to photoshop something about groomers, and that's where you can't ignore the problem anymore. Congratulations, you have suppressed the voices of reason and you will now have to deal with an angry mob.

>Nobody else is making the distinctions you’re trying to make here.

Some people are. Most people aren't. That's exactly why your country will splinter. In some states you will get a ticket for showing up in public with a same-sex partner. In others teaches will be financially incentivized to reach the quota of trans students, as it will be seen as helping people find their true identity. Both extremes are idiotic, but that's how tribalism works and that's how empires fall. You can safely ignore it for a single-digit number of years, but you will see it in your lifetime.

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