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Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Post by gkoberger »

adrianthedev wrote: post #23
gkoberger wrote: post #18

Hey! Minor bit of feedback on the homepage UI; I saw the pricing calculator and the big number wasn't obviously my savings (I assumed it was the cost). I'd make sure that for anyone scanning, it's clear the large $$ amount is savings vs the actual cost! (Also, while I do think it's important you come off as cheap, I wouldn't lead with "saving money" as the main reason to use your product. It looks like you've built s…

Wonderful! On point feedback! I had quite a tough time promoting the product and the homepage calculator was one push to highlight one quality of Avo ($ savings). But I agree, that's shouldn't be the biggest selling point. I'll make sure to position the product differently. Thank you!

For what it's worth, I do like that it builds as you scroll down! It shows how much goes into building an app. I wonder if switching the focus to just the dev time, or even have some sort of chart of all the other tools that slowly merges into Avo?

EDIT: Or a cute "Dev todo list" that gets crossed off (https://roughnotation.com/) as you scroll down, and Avo takes care of things for you?

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Post by adrianthedev »

philip1209 wrote: post #26

Looks cool - looking forward to trying it out. One thing I feel is missing from rails today is a great text editor. ActiveText feels old compared to editors like TipTap. Any plans or recommendations on standardizing on a new rich text editor for Avo?

I feel your pain. I see the talk in the community around text editors and I monitor it closely.

TBH, I haven't built anything like that before and I'm not sure if my efforts would be spent in the best way if I tried to. I added Trix to Avo because it played well out-of-the box with Rails.

I'll be watching the text editors race and will add the winners to Avo.

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Post by mgkimsal »

adrianthedev wrote: post #30
mgkimsal wrote: post #27

Seems reminiscent of both Nova and Filament for Laravel/PHP. Nice work :)

Nova was a big inspiration for me to build Avo. I don't think I would have started Avo without using Nova before. My train of thought was "Rails helps you build apps fast! If we had something like Nova it would make it 10x faster!". I belive the pair (Rails and Avo) is one of a kind in the frameworks world.

I suspect it won't be for long. The concept of the programmable/standard 'resource wrapper' around the models in a framework like laravel or rails provides a decent separation for adding on standard behavior without actually having to touch any of your existing code. If you're the first in the rails world to do this, you won't be the last.

Look at filamentphp as well for some inspiration/ideas.

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Post by adrianthedev »

sandGorgon wrote: post #29

this is very very cool. Any plans of making this for the js ecosystem ? Unfortunately not all of us are on ruby...but everyone is on js. Would totally love something like this on React/Next.

Haha. Funny you should mention that.

Me, together with my brother, built basetool, which should have been Avo but for TypeScript (framework agnostic). You give it a database URL and it will build the admin panel for you.

Today was the day that I decided to sunset it, but you could try to use it with docker or compile it from source.

https://basetool.io https://github.com/basetool-io/basetool

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Post by mgkimsal »

adrianthedev wrote: post #28
pantulis wrote: post #6

This delivers quite a lot of value in terms of developer time... pricing seems incredibily low!

Thank you for the compliment. Yes, I agree the pricing is quite low. I launched this pricing scheme in March and since then I added a ton of features that, IMHO, have increased Avo's productivity 2x. I haven't updated the pricing yet, but I'll probably do it soon. I also spoke with other indie developers and they agree that the pricing is quite low. Thank you for the feedback!

The pricing may be 'low', but you may help foster a larger 'avo' ecosystem if more people are using it (AKA, keeping the price lower). What was/is attractive about Nova and Filament in the PHP world is that both have moderate ecosystems of packages (free and paid) which extend out the base admin system in niche ways. "avo" might be really good on its own - coupled with dozens of custom add-ons that demonstrate a community of people building their own solutions on top would propel this even farther (imo).

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

#36

Post by canadiantim »

focom wrote: post #12
canadiantim wrote: post #11

Looks awesome. I'm a bit jealous Rails has this resource coming from the Django world (although I know django admin also great but has its limitations)

Yes its a shame django isn't as active as rails

Certain parts are and there is some encouraging development work going, e.g. Tetra (https://www.tetraframework.com/) - but yeah it can be sparse.

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Post by adrianthedev »

mgkimsal wrote: post #33
adrianthedev wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nova was a big inspiration for me to build Avo. I don't think I would have started Avo without using Nova before. My train of thought was "Rails helps you build apps fast! If we had something like Nova it would make it 10x faster!". I belive the pair (Rails and Avo) is one of a kind in the frameworks world.

I suspect it won't be for long. The concept of the programmable/standard 'resource wrapper' around the models in a framework like laravel or rails provides a decent separation for adding on standard behavior without actually having to touch any of your existing code. If you're the first in the rails world to do this, you won't be the last. Look at filamentphp as well for some inspiration/ideas.

I agree with you.

I'm aware that Avo (like Nova) is not suitable for any type of app. It's for "most apps" where you use common things like CRUD, dashboards, and cards.

Speaking of competition, it's only going to make the ecosystem better, so I'm all up for it.

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Post by canadiantim »

adrianthedev wrote: post #22
canadiantim wrote: post #11

Looks awesome. I'm a bit jealous Rails has this resource coming from the Django world (although I know django admin also great but has its limitations)

I believe it's better than having nothing. I think there's a lot to be done in this space and having someone or a team working on it full time is the way to go.

Absolutely. I know there are some projects kind of like this, but right now they are lost in my bookmarks folder somewhere... I recall a couple of good admin dropin replacements, I think one or two even have a paid-model which I dig cause I'm more than willing to pay for django-specific code that will save me development time. Likewise, I know there's some good projects trying to do something similar to Avo, but again I've lost them in bookmarks and my google-fu isn't working to retrieve them.

Re: Show HN: Avo – Build Ruby on Rails apps faster

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Post by adrianthedev »

mgkimsal wrote: post #35
adrianthedev wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the compliment. Yes, I agree the pricing is quite low. I launched this pricing scheme in March and since then I added a ton of features that, IMHO, have increased Avo's productivity 2x. I haven't updated the pricing yet, but I'll probably do it soon. I also spoke with other indie developers and they agree that the pricing is quite low. Thank you for the feedback!

The pricing may be 'low', but you may help foster a larger 'avo' ecosystem if more people are using it (AKA, keeping the price lower). What was/is attractive about Nova and Filament in the PHP world is that both have moderate ecosystems of packages (free and paid) which extend out the base admin system in niche ways. "avo" might be really good on its own - coupled with dozens of custom add-ons that demonstrate a comm…

Tell me about it!

Yeah, that's my vision too. To create the plugin system and enable developers to hook into that ecosystem and earn money.

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