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Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Because now you get a lifetime label as a registered sex offender if you get caught. Additionally, those of us who grew up in the 80's had the absolute fear of AIDS drilled into us. IMO, the AIDS epidemic blunted the libido of at least one generation.

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It's not a big deal, we know that now. In the 80's when I was a teenager, the fear-tactics and abstinence only education were strong - I'd even say at their peak. Those patterns get embedded in your brain.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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I do wonder if the act of dating has gotten substantially less fun than it was in the past. At least if you go to a bar/concert/activity you may have fun and make plutonic friends, messaging random people on a dating site seems much more depressing.

> plutonic friends Did you mean "Platonic friends"? Although it sounds kinda nice to have Plutonic friends as well, since they'd have yachts and what not.

Surely plutonic friends would have superpowers and not be the rich tech heavy kind of superhero???

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Population implosion is going to be the biggest problem of our lives. It is one of those issues that creeps up progressively (like Global Warming), but will have cataclysmic impacts. Sex is a precursor to relationships and kids, if people don't have sex... Imagine 80% of the population is elderly and retired (or want to be retired) - that is where the world is heading by the end of the century. From 2018: https://www…

Considering the unsustainable per-person resource usage of the rich world, maybe a little decline in birth rate isn't so bad?

Long term population reduction would be good, it is the few decades long transition period that sucks.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Population implosion is going to be the biggest problem of our lives. It is one of those issues that creeps up progressively (like Global Warming), but will have cataclysmic impacts. Sex is a precursor to relationships and kids, if people don't have sex... Imagine 80% of the population is elderly and retired (or want to be retired) - that is where the world is heading by the end of the century. From 2018: https://www…

But surely as societies enter the later parts of the demographic transition phases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition) something like that is bound to happen - you cannot have infinitely growing populations and eventually mortality will decrease (due to healthcare improvements and increased living standards) to a point where a non-insignificant part of your population will be of an advanced age.

So in a sense, that's inevitable, isn't it?

The alternative would be to ensure that birth rates are such that the population distribution across ages is always vaguely balanced, but due to the changing socioeconomic conditions, I doubt that's viable. So all that can be done for the most part is just to have social safety nets and support for the older people in the forms of affordable housing, discounts, pensions and other such systems.

Here in Latvia a certain part of each salary is put towards our retirement funds, be it through a privately managed set of funds (typically through one of the banks) or otherwise. The sizes of pensions and living expenses are still a hotly debated topic, given that those still aren't always sufficient for a comfortable lifestyle, but the idea of accumulating enough money for when you age seems like a sane approach to the problem at hand.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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95% of Tinder swipes by women are passes compared to 47% for men. Women tend to date up. Online dating apps are rigged for men. These apps are search engines optimized to match women with the top 5% of men. These apps are designed for women. Being average or even above average will almost never result in a date. Tinder was designed like a slot machine which will ruin your self-esteem from constant rejection but your hope of a large reward will keep you going for ages. You will have a much higher success rate as an average guy simply with a completely cold approach. That is how bad online dating is for men.

As an example, a slightly above average man who generates 16561 swipes on Tinder will generate 7666 likes and 8675 dislikes. Out of these there will be 290 matches and 7596 no-match. A rate of 2.5 matches per day and an overall 3.7% match rate. Out of 290 matches he will send 87 messages and receive 12. 191 matches will never result in a message. Of the 99 messages 31 will be left on read or never even opened the initial message, resulting in 68 conversations. 40 of these women ghosted him, and our subject gave up on 17 of them. Ultimately this resulted in getting 11 phone numbers. These 11 phone numbers in 4 months led to 3 dates and 8 gave up on texting, declined the dating offer, or our subject simply gave up on them. All 3 dates did not materialize into anything long term. It was a complete waste of time. Considering that online dating is the most common method used to find a date these days, the options are grim for men who are less than very appealing if they use these online platforms.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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People also have more options.

I'm not saying that in the sense of "10% of some gender has sex with 90% the other gender due to [tinder/bumble/hinge]", but rather that in my countries - dating apps have become the de-facto way to hook up with others. And these apps have sort of redefined that scene - mainly because women have pretty much endless choices, but also because the opposite is absolutely not true for most guys on these apps.

With that said, the old ways are still working. People do go out and meet people, but I think most of my peers (late 20-somethings to early 30-somethings) mostly use a bunch of different dating apps for that initial screening. You are exposed to people that you'd NEVER meet in the more traditional sense.

Also, as other people have mentioned - there are more options for entertainment today - even for poor people / those in the lower classes.

Sex toys are also becoming way better and more advanced for all sexes. If your _only_ goal is to chase an orgasm, lots of modern toys will give you a better shot at that than some random hookup.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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It's because people in their 20s are living with their parents and don't want to have sex in the park. When I was younger I wanted it badly enough that I did stupid things like that but I can understand why people like me are in a tiny minority.

Because now you get a lifetime label as a registered sex offender if you get caught. Additionally, those of us who grew up in the 80's had the absolute fear of AIDS drilled into us. IMO, the AIDS epidemic blunted the libido of at least one generation.

I'm in my 30s so remember the AIDS epidemic. I can't say it featured on my list of fears as a teenager, and I'm sure modern teenagers even less so.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Entertainment has entered a tyranny of choice. I see it personally. I can watch nearly every show and movie that was ever created but I still flip through Netflix and RT endlessly, often times choosing not to watch anything. When I was younger I would just watch Seinfeld re-runs, with commercials and all. Am I more "entertained" today than I was when I was growing up? I'm not convinced. The weirdest thing is I don't…

I am genuinely unsure, and had to google it. Is RT supposed to be the abbreviation for Rotten Tomatoes?

I don’t know, but I’m guessing it’s not Russia Today where I associate the abbreviation…

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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7% of all humans that ever existed, are alive today. We can afford a contraction.

Depends on the scale you look at it. It's going to be a shit show for a few generations. Especially in all the countries relying on the working force to pay for the elderly through tax &co Humanity can afford it, you might not

That's true of every potential future scenario, be it population contraction, climate collapse, downturn in the market, even a temporary drought.

Humanity can afford it, you might not. But policy should probably be set to benefit humanity.

Re: Sex is going out of fashion?

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Population implosion is going to be the biggest problem of our lives. It is one of those issues that creeps up progressively (like Global Warming), but will have cataclysmic impacts. Sex is a precursor to relationships and kids, if people don't have sex... Imagine 80% of the population is elderly and retired (or want to be retired) - that is where the world is heading by the end of the century. From 2018: https://www…

7% of all humans that ever existed, are alive today. We can afford a contraction.

The problem (mostly) isn't fewer people, it's an ever-increasing proportion of elderly. As long as total fertility is below replacement the proportion of elderly to working-age people increases /forever/.
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