I think all students should be paid, it s entirety logical. It would massively rearrange education, from school to university
Experiment: Pay students to tackle learning loss
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Re: Experiment: Pay students to tackle learning loss
#22I think all students should be paid, it s entirety logical. It would massively rearrange education, from school to university
Since richer students tend to have more educational progress, this would be a great way to fund the rich ;-)
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#23I think it's a good idea, but I also envision a lot of cheating just to get free money. If they can tailor this so that cheating isn't possible then I think it's a great idea for some areas of the country.
Financially it's the same as just giving everyone free money, but then fining the people who fail to graduate.
But mentally that feels very different.
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#24Only semi related, but when Dolly Parton noticed that her home town had 30%+ highschool dropout rates, she created the buddy program. Pair with a friend, and if you both graduate, you both get $500. Drop out rate dropped to 6%. Yeah incentives can be gamed... But if in the process of gaming, the students achieve the outcome, does it really matter? https://dollyparton.com/imagination_library/buddy-program/15...
I assume the kind of people who join this program probably are far more likely to graduate even before any incentives are given.
Dropouts rarely sign up for anything 'extra' voluntary at school.
Re: Experiment: Pay students to tackle learning loss
#25Only semi related, but when Dolly Parton noticed that her home town had 30%+ highschool dropout rates, she created the buddy program. Pair with a friend, and if you both graduate, you both get $500. Drop out rate dropped to 6%. Yeah incentives can be gamed... But if in the process of gaming, the students achieve the outcome, does it really matter? https://dollyparton.com/imagination_library/buddy-program/15...
I assume the kind of people who join this program probably are far more likely to graduate even before any incentives are given. Dropouts rarely sign up for anything 'extra' voluntary at school.
To be confirmed, but my understanding is that the general dropout rate went from 30% to 6%, not 6% only for the people which signed up for the program (for whom the dropout rate might be 0-1% for example)
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#26This sounds like a fantastic way to smother creativity and imagination. Anybody who has ever worked on open source projects should know that incentives are not always additive. https://commoncausefoundation.org/michael-sandel-on-the-corr...
Considering the baseline "incentive"/"justification" for going to school in the first place is "because I said so", the incentives here are certainly additive because x+0=x.
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#27As it stands, existing school is child jail. You didn't vote for the people telling you what you can and can't do, and they aren't paying you to be there either. The authority of the "authority figures" isn't actually built on any rational principle. If it weren't for the fact that the easiest personal option is to just wait out the clock and never look back, surely large swaths of people held in this system would openly revolt. Why does society presume adolescents to be obedient, suckers, and obedient suckers? Take their time, pay them for it. That simple.
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#28Only semi related, but when Dolly Parton noticed that her home town had 30%+ highschool dropout rates, she created the buddy program. Pair with a friend, and if you both graduate, you both get $500. Drop out rate dropped to 6%. Yeah incentives can be gamed... But if in the process of gaming, the students achieve the outcome, does it really matter? https://dollyparton.com/imagination_library/buddy-program/15...
I assume the kind of people who join this program probably are far more likely to graduate even before any incentives are given. Dropouts rarely sign up for anything 'extra' voluntary at school.
Money is different.
Re: Experiment: Pay students to tackle learning loss
#29This sounds like a fantastic way to smother creativity and imagination. Anybody who has ever worked on open source projects should know that incentives are not always additive. https://commoncausefoundation.org/michael-sandel-on-the-corr...
The interviewee addresses that:
> All the stuff where incentives destroy incentive, motivation are things that you like to do in the first place...
> These are, frankly, inner-city schools with low achievement. We were trying to foster a love of learning, getting them to try it and see that they can excel at it, not the other way around. We also did all the measures of intrinsic motivation, we found no effect on it whatsoever. So we didn’t foster it, and we also didn’t hurt it.
Re: Experiment: Pay students to tackle learning loss
#30Only semi related, but when Dolly Parton noticed that her home town had 30%+ highschool dropout rates, she created the buddy program. Pair with a friend, and if you both graduate, you both get $500. Drop out rate dropped to 6%. Yeah incentives can be gamed... But if in the process of gaming, the students achieve the outcome, does it really matter? https://dollyparton.com/imagination_library/buddy-program/15...
It's hard for me to understand how such a small amount could have such a meaningful impact on someone's life. I suppose that says more about me though. Edit: Dolly _personally handed them the cheque_! I could see that being more of a motivation than the cash itself Edit 2: I would highly recommend listening to "Dolly Parton's America" - https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/dolly-partons-america
I would venture that most high school students have probably never had $500 in cash in their entire lives, especially those who are at risk of dropping out.