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Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Very interesting. Mullvad seems to be the most extreme and reputable VPN service out there when it comes to privacy. At least it seems that way.

A VPN will hide you from your ISP, but that's about it, isn't it? Does a VPN really provide that much real privacy?

"That's about it" corresponds to large swathes of the Internet for some of us living in parts of the world with arbitrarily censored and restricted Internet access.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Wow. Hadn't heard of Mullvad before reading this, figured I'd give it a try. That is hands down the BEST onboarding experience for an app (let alone a VPN) I've had in I don't know how long. Took me maybe 2 minutes to go from no account to a working VPN connection. I love that everything is anonymous (down to the account credentials just being a randomly generated token).

I wish their scratch cards were available in Australia. Sounds easier than shipping money halfway across the word. I would just pay by card, threat level is not high enough to worry about that but their scratch card is a great idea. Must not be a popular enough option though, even a google search doesn't give you much information on them.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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> can't see that approach as exploitative You're getting all-you-can-eat from the business for a fixed price in exchange for predictable revenue as opposed to pay-as-you-go. That you think that's exploitative just tells me you don't understand the business model. You want to have your cake and eat it, too.

Ah yes, the old "people who disagree with me must be ignorant" routine. Not a good sign, but I'll take one more swing at it. An all-you-can-eat restaurant where customers don't eat anything and you still keep charging them until they notice months or years later is indeed exploitative. For something like an apartment, there's reasonable justification for long-term contracts and continuing to charge people without reg…

>People who take money without providing value are at best economic parasites, but quite a lot of them are just scammers, grifters, and frauds. Which is exactly why a law would be especially valuable here, so that their time and attention were devoted to some socially positive activity.

Does that also apply to your car/home/health insurance as well?

If you don't have an accident/get robbed/go to the doctor, are you being exploited by the insurance company?

Edit: BTW, I'm an old guy myself.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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that's me and my audible subscription. i should cancel it, but before that i have to use the credits.

Holy cow, that’s evil. https://help.audible.com/s/article/do-i-keep-my-credits-if-i... Do I keep my credits if I cancel my Audible Premium Plus membership? No. If you end your Audible Premium Plus membership, your credits will be lost with your other membership benefits.

This is why I hate Audible and have never been tempted by their many attempts at entangling me in with their endless 'trials'. By comparison, Downpour.com had an easy on/off function for the monthly fees and the credits remain active for up to a year, with a prior warning, for one to use even after canceling the monthly subscription. Edit: also like the fact that the audio books are drm-free/downloadable and I am not beholden to their app to listen to them.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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Wow. Hadn't heard of Mullvad before reading this, figured I'd give it a try. That is hands down the BEST onboarding experience for an app (let alone a VPN) I've had in I don't know how long. Took me maybe 2 minutes to go from no account to a working VPN connection. I love that everything is anonymous (down to the account credentials just being a randomly generated token).

You can also easily pay with better anonymity with the Strike app, https://strike.me , which abstracts bitcoin mainnet and lightning network payments behind USD, so you don't have to worry about actually holding bitcoin or managing tax implications. You just use bitcoin as a globally agnostic payment rail, masked with your local fiat, so the price volatility doesn't affect you. Mullvad even gives you a 10% discount f…

Careful! I used BTC and the processing time was absurdly long.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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And what businesses are hoping for are users that are paying without actually using their service. Produce nothing, but get paid every month. Sounds like a crap deal for the users.

> And what businesses are hoping for are users that are paying without actually using their service All of them, from the local gym to Dropbox to Spotify. Subscription businesses can't make money if every consumer costs more to service than the revenue they generate. There's even an official accounting term for it, breakage. > Produce nothing, but get paid every month Failure to consume and get value from a subscript…

"Failure to consume and get value from a subscription is your fault, not the business that fulfilled its obligation."

On some level yes. But recently banks here in Australia were busted for charging dead people.

https://www.afr.com/companies/financial-services/apra-punish...

Are you going to tell me the dead people are at fault for not taking advantage of services provided?

The point here is the relationship between (business) provider and consumer. It should be fair and balanced. No one is asking a business to provide services for nothing. But when the services aren't being used, the non-consumer shouldn't be charged either.

The only question remaining is - what is a fair way to go about this?

A reasonable time period of non-use before suspension of service seems ok. The business got money for nothing - but can't try to make that into a business plan.

Clearly businesses would rather have more "money for nothing" - so would everyone - but it isn't reasonable.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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post #165

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A lot of them have been gobbled up by Kape or otherwise proven to keep logs/data when they claim they don't https://restoreprivacy.com/kape-technologies-owns-expressvpn...

Oh man I thought Private Internet Access was still one of the independent VPNs. I feel duped. :/

PIA before the Kape acquisition was owned by parent company London Trust Media. The owner is Andrew Lee, who was best buddies with Mark Karpeles responsible for the MtGox collapse and defrauding all the users of the exchange. Unfortunately the Japanese government let him out of jail and Andrew Lee decided to make his old friend the CTO of the company. Andrew Lee is also the guy behind the shady "sale" of the nonprofit Freenode that caused everyone to jump ship to LiberaChat.

I feel like it's probably more trustworthy under Kape than a CEO and CTO surrounded by a long history of lies, fraud, and general scumbag behavior.

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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So if you wanted to give money to another individual (not a company which offers card payments) and you didn't want to use the internet, is cash the only option?

You call your bank, or go into a branch, and transfer it to their bank account.

You fill-in in a bank transfer form and mail it to your bank (if you don't carry it in person to a branch office). The money gets transferred from the account of the receiver to the account of the recipient within a day. That's a standardized service every bank has to offer in the SEPA area and the price must be same regardless where the recipient's account is. No difference whether business or individual on either end. You need to know the recipient's account number (IBAN). Of course banks prefer that customers use the internet to initiate such transfer, but other methods exist (often at a higher price).

Re: We are removing the option to create new subscriptions

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post #106

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I also like that they let you download the raw wireguard config files so that you can connect without having to use their client. You can just plop them onto your filesystem and use wg-quick to get going. Since I'm also a ProtonMail user and I considered switching to them for VPN as well but their python client doesn't seem to work correctly on my Arch Linux install and it doesn't give me anything useful to debug it…

I've read some articles online, but I still haven't managed to understand the hype around wireguard. It's lighter than OpenVPN, but has more obscure primitives? Doesn't seem like a great trade off...

It is also much faster and allows p2p networks
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