I used to hate Jira with all the fervor and more. And then one day I discovered go-jira. Jira command line client written in Golang (hence the name). I wrote a few tiny emacs-lisp wrappers: to read the current backlog; to find a ticket; to list all the tickets assigned to me, etc. And that was all great. I realized - I hated Jira's UI, but its API is quite all right. At some point, our infrastructure engineers change…
I fucking hate Jira
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#452I feel like hating on Jira is the pastime that is now passed down from each generation of programmers to the next. I'm going to stick up for Jira. I certainly don't "love" Jira, though I do think they've made significant improvements with "new Jira" (I think they call them team-managed projects now). The problem I have with the incessant Jira bitching is that I rarely feel that bitchers have a true understanding for…
Re: I fucking hate Jira
#453I feel like hating on Jira is the pastime that is now passed down from each generation of programmers to the next. I'm going to stick up for Jira. I certainly don't "love" Jira, though I do think they've made significant improvements with "new Jira" (I think they call them team-managed projects now). The problem I have with the incessant Jira bitching is that I rarely feel that bitchers have a true understanding for…
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#454Not using Jira is a red flag for me, and I won't work for any company that doesn't use Jira. The reason is, Jira is so standard at this point, if a team uses a non-Jira product, they must have an overly powerful CTO or team lead who rules with an iron fist. Sure, it sucks, but working under such conditions is worse.
That’s insane to me. Atlassian pushes very hard for everyone to use the cloud-hosted version, as the on-prem version is hella expensive. You know, that SaaS app that was recently down for over 2 weeks for some customers.[0] I don’t know many companies that would be OK with having no access to their ticket tracker for an indeterminate length of time. Do you have a customer, or worse, regulatory deadline coming up, and…
Also looks like they've taken steps to prevent this from happening again.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/atlassian-implements-soft-dele...
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How does that make it a monstrosity? Unless we're talking about things that are shared across multiple teams, does it really matter how people use it? Nobody is going to care what someone else does in JIRA when they aren't touching that part anyway. Even with 1000 differently configured projects, your 1 or 2 projects you actually work with and configure are the only ones that matter.
We're just talking past each other, I'm saying Jira is bad because "it's a foot gun, and bad people keep shooting me in the foot" and you're saying "they shot you in the foot because they are bad". We are both right, technically, but I don't like working with foot-guns for this reason.
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>Same here, I really don't get the cargo cult hate against Jira. That's funny, because I've always thought of Jira's most ardent defenders as a cargo cult. As this comment section indicates, Jira can do no wrong. It can only be done wrong. Cult.
Jira is like democracy, it isn't perfect and is full of flaws, yet it still is better than the alternatives.
Not in my experience. I'd much rather use GitHub issues or a range of similar products. Finding and searching works well. Performance is good. Organization is feasible. Labels work fine for customization.
> Jira is like democracy, it isn't perfect and is full of flaws, ...
Using a pithy cross-disciplinary metaphor to try to bolster support for an argument doesn't do much for me.
I would appreciate, on the other hand, if you elaborated on the details of other alternatives you've tried and what problems you've seen.
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It's not a neutral tool. Jira makes micromanagement easy and trusting people hard; you can use it for good, but you're working against the grain of it the whole time. Everything is default deny (issues can only go through approved transitions, by default regular users can't change the available transitions), the default issue forms have way too many mandatory fields, and a bunch of reports that only micromanagers wan…
If you sign up to Jira today and start a new project, you'll get the options of a simple workflow with a minimum of fields. The beginning statuses are basically "to do", "in progress", and "done". There's a fair amount of trust in those steps, IMO. > by default regular users can't change the available transitions I can't imagine allowing this. This would be a recipe for chaos. The transitions are supposed to indicate…
Everywhere I've worked the states have been the steps, the transitions have just been there for Jira's own bookkeeping. And in the real world it's always possible to move a piece of work to any other step in your workflow - things like "the designer's realised he messed up the wireframes, put it back to design even though it was currently in code review" happen all the time. I don't think that's the same as not having any process.
In the Jira way of doing things you can't do that if that transition doesn't exist, and you probably don't have the required permissions to add that transition (if you can even figure out what they are). Couple that with Jira's terrible performance and I've been in more than one company where you could accidentally drag and drop a ticket to the wrong column (because Jira decides to finish loading at the wrong time) at which point it's permanently fucked up and your only option is to copy and paste the data (one field at a time, natuarlly) into a new ticket.
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The point is that there are tools that enable and encourage bad behavior. The kinds of organizational toxicity simply aren’t possible with some tools, sure an ambitious executive could try but the attempt would fail very quickly. Such attempts to do the broken overburdened nonsense that frequently comes with Jira don’t fail, they are enabled and encouraged. What is technically possible and what is likely are two very…
JIRA really doesn't encourage anything in any direction except writing down what you are up to in a reasonably friendly way. Anything beyond that is up to the implementors, and there is nothing in the world that can prevent bad top-down behaviour within a company.
Given the amount of effort you devoted to replying to multiple posts, it feels disingenuous when you make an obvious and inaccurate statement as fact.
There is very little dependency graph organization (eg subtasks), which isn't reflected in most of the UI anyway as JIRA does push toward treating all tickets as a flat set. Work is a practical hierarchy of concerns and JIRA never made much progress away from a checklist (same as ASANA, Rike, etc).
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Which is funny because 99% of what project managers seem to be about is making sure work gets done. So the first thing they do is deploy a hurdle to this by ensuring they use a tool which is time consuming and confusing for the people who do the work (usually developers to use) and enforce it's usage. JIRA is so slow and the UI so clunky the project managers where I work use some type of spreadsheet upload mechanism…
> Which is funny because 99% of what project managers seem to be about is making sure work gets done Unfortunately, from the project manager's perspective the emphasis is on the words making sure And Jira lets them think they're doing that