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Re: I fucking hate Jira

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Post by timmytokyo »

pjmlp wrote: post #175
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #58

I feel like hating on Jira is the pastime that is now passed down from each generation of programmers to the next. I'm going to stick up for Jira. I certainly don't "love" Jira, though I do think they've made significant improvements with "new Jira" (I think they call them team-managed projects now). The problem I have with the incessant Jira bitching is that I rarely feel that bitchers have a true understanding for…

Same here, I really don't get the cargo cult hate against Jira. Before I got to use Jira for the first time around 2006, everything I used before was crap, either in-house solutions out of CGI scripts or crap like ClearQuest. Stuff like Trello just seems too basic for typical enterprise workflows that overlap sprint planning, with project roadmap, milestones and change requests, mapping of tickets to source code, pul…

>Same here, I really don't get the cargo cult hate against Jira.

That's funny, because I've always thought of Jira's most ardent defenders as a cargo cult. As this comment section indicates, Jira can do no wrong. It can only be done wrong. Cult.

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Post by efortis »

sefrost wrote: post #4

I wish the comments were more specific about which features they don’t like. For me a particularly frustrating aspect is the way the UI moves around a lot. I’m quite anxious to click anything until all the loading spinners have stopped in case I click the wrong thing. Then I could be taken to a page or feature I’ve never seen before. Also it’s really annoying when I try to copy something from a ticket description but…

How do I find an old story in Jira? *Without searching my email.

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Post by lewispollard »

CSMastermind wrote: post #104
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #58

I feel like hating on Jira is the pastime that is now passed down from each generation of programmers to the next. I'm going to stick up for Jira. I certainly don't "love" Jira, though I do think they've made significant improvements with "new Jira" (I think they call them team-managed projects now). The problem I have with the incessant Jira bitching is that I rarely feel that bitchers have a true understanding for…

> I do think they've made significant improvements with "new Jira" (I think they call them team-managed projects now). I feel totally the opposite. If you've ever had to administer Jira at a large company than team-managed projects are the bane of your existence. If you think, there's even a small chance that your company will grow to 300+ engineers any time in the next several years then do yourself a favor and turn…

Yeah. My employer has company managed projects on by default, and there are several features which still haven't been re-implemented from OG team-managed Jira, particularly around workflow automation, that have tickets from 4 years ago saying "we're looking into implementing this in the next year!"

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Post by cassianoleal »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #36
sefrost wrote: post #4

I wish the comments were more specific about which features they don’t like. For me a particularly frustrating aspect is the way the UI moves around a lot. I’m quite anxious to click anything until all the loading spinners have stopped in case I click the wrong thing. Then I could be taken to a page or feature I’ve never seen before. Also it’s really annoying when I try to copy something from a ticket description but…

The hate is not for JIRA the tool, but JIRA the way of managing things.

Yes, but also Jira the tool with it's horrendous UX, janky markdown (which is also different from Confluence's wtf), memory foortprint, slow loading, slow everything, controls moving from under your cursor just as you're about to click them...

Honestly, it's a horrendous piece of software however you look at it.

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Post by Tehchops »

Jira is bad, but the worst part about it is that it makes it non-trivially more likely you'll also be using Confluence, which is an absolute blight upon the software landscape.

Re: I fucking hate Jira

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Post by kelnos »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #141
cogman10 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why don't you think some other company has come along and toppled the Jira crown? Because it's really hard to kill off the market leader when the market leader is embedded into the core of how a company works. I don't buy that it's a matter of competitors not being better. It is more about inertia. The argument you have here could equally be applied to C++ or Cobol "Why is new code being written in these languages?…

I disagree with this. Absolutely, once Jira (or any particular project management tool) gets it's "tentacles" into a sizable enterprise, it's very difficult to dislodge. But I've seen tons of other examples in my career of companies making larger, more difficult transitions because they clearly felt the risk/benefit was worth it: moving from CVS/Subversion to git, moving from on-prem to the cloud, moving from Windows…

I think it's maybe a bit of both? I worked at an org that was using Trac for most things. It's probably fine for a small, engineering-driven company, but it's not very full-featured and isn't great for PMs and other business types.

So once the company got large enough, management wanted to switch. Many of us essentially said, "ok, that's fine, but please please please not Jira". And yet, they went and hired some consultants who were like "oh, Jira is the industry standard for your line of work, you'd be taking on a huge risk not using it, blah blah blah". Management bought it, and they've been on Jira ever since.

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Post by kringo »

JIRA is the definition of building everything for everybody and let them customize it, it's got complex and to a point highly productive engineers don't want it anymore, it's a OVERKILL!

Re: I fucking hate Jira

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Post by lolc »

rsstack wrote: post #79

I was one of the Jira admins two jobs ago (in additional to more normal responsibilities of product management & engineering). I finally got back to Jira at my current company and I texted an ex-colleague who was also an admin of the same Jira server (also part-time): "We're starting the migration to Jira. The next sprint will be entirely in Jira. Honestly, I kind of missed it." She replied: "That's the real test of…

What's the secret of making it acceptably responsive? Asking for a friend.

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Post by wizofaus »

lolc wrote: post #228
rsstack wrote: post #79

I was one of the Jira admins two jobs ago (in additional to more normal responsibilities of product management & engineering). I finally got back to Jira at my current company and I texted an ex-colleague who was also an admin of the same Jira server (also part-time): "We're starting the migration to Jira. The next sprint will be entirely in Jira. Honestly, I kind of missed it." She replied: "That's the real test of…

What's the secret of making it acceptably responsive? Asking for a friend.

From what I've read it's the cloud hosted version that's slow. Seems to be fine locally hosted, and probably if you host yourself with another cloud provider. Unless by "responsive" you mean works well on tiny screen devices...
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