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Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

#11

Is the comp enough to make on call tolerable? If one can make $150k-$250k without being on call, why would they take a DevOps position as a SWE?

There is no on-call. Like I say, it's not a DevOps position, but an SWE position requiring more significant knowledge (not administration) of the underlying platform than is typical.

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Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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DevOps isn't exactly an ancient field. I know you said you're already junior heavy but even if building someone up takes you six months you're going to likely be better off in the meantime than trying to find someone able to produce the value you need from day one.

My employer is also having trouble attracting senior frontend devs right now and our take seems to be that there's a lot of competition for good candidates, that's unlikely to change in the short term.

EDIT: Not to doom, but times are changing, might be worth evaluating if you really do NEED a senior. A lot of the way people look at used cars, and housing, (and gas prices), and remote work has changed in the past few years. Maybe easily acquiring senior devs is something that is also changing.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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post #3

Are you hiring a DevOps engineer, or a software engineer? While there's overlap, these are fundamentally different things. Focus your job description on either: 1. A software engineer who can (and is willing) to do some DevOps work. 2. A DevOps engineer who can (and is willing ) do some software development.

Definitely #1, and the ad is fairly up-front with that.

I've been having the same problem. It's actually a lot to ask of someone to be a solid coder but also willing to do on-call support. The direction we're looking is to replace "DevOps" with "Platform Engineering" and retain an MSP to do on-call tier 1 and 2 support.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

#15

“Benefits and salary are good” is subjective. Can you provide examples so we can verify? What’s your hiring process like? What’s your company rep like? How are the interviews ram? Any steps taken to help interviewees feel comfortable? Etc etc

Unless the employer has a reputation of providing above average compensation, anytime at least a pay range and description of benefits is not provided, it is safe to assume they are not competitive (for above average people).

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

#17
Good, experienced people would usually have built a decent network for themselves over their career. As seniority grows, you will find them less and less applying for new jobs, and more and more relying on their networks for new work. And if they are good, they very likely are sitting on open offers from well known ex-colleagues that they could take up at anytime. You will do much better to tap in through your own networks, find suitable candidates and reach out to them directly to get them interested.

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

#18
We've been unsuccessful finding senior roles lately. The job is slightly underpaid, but the technologies, team, and everything else are amazing.

It's difficult to communicate that in a job rec. I'd never leave for a much more higher paying role because the weight of being on a team of real experts working on real challenges far outweighs additional money.

Just the way it goes out here. For the same reasons you wouldn't be able to hire me, other people won't be hired for less than what they want.

Edit: The "slightly underpaid" comment is getting all the attention, so I'm just going to make it literal.

200k before considering stocks, and other benefits, remote US.

That's what I consider slightly underpaid. It's not a euphemism for "massively underpaid"

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

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We've been unsuccessful finding senior roles lately. The job is slightly underpaid, but the technologies, team, and everything else are amazing. It's difficult to communicate that in a job rec. I'd never leave for a much more higher paying role because the weight of being on a team of real experts working on real challenges far outweighs additional money. Just the way it goes out here. For the same reasons you wouldn…

> job is slightly underpaid, but the technologies, team, and everything else are amazing

I would be sceptical of someone describing themselves as senior who falls for this. Pay them properly. If you can’t afford cash, make it up in stock and responsibility and flexibility and be open that you’re proposing that tradeoff from the start. You’ll filter out everyone with a mortgage or kids close to college or a lifestyle they love, but that’s better than hoping someone falls for the schtick Silicon Valley regularly foist on twenty somethings.

(I would also be sceptical of someone describing themselves as senior responding to job postings versus being recruited, but that may be more bias than truth.)

Re: Ask HN: Having trouble getting senior applicants, wondering what to do about it

#20
I'm willing to go through the process and give you direct feedback.

I'm a Senior "DevOps" (Sysadmin), resume is here: dijit.sh/resume.pdf

Sounds conceited; but if you want to know how an outsider feels about your companies and the process: this can be an effective way.

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