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Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Post by cycomanic »

thinkingemote wrote: post #5
hunglee2 wrote: post #2

very interesting, love to get an update on this. there is an incongruity that the theoretically more egalitarian the society, the less likely women are to enter STEM career path. I believe there is a much higher proportion of female engineers in India for example, than you might find a European country

I believe that the research paper that the paradox is from expressed it the other way around: It's more like the more oppressive a country is, the more likely women will enter STEM. The reasoning is that in harsher places, women will try to maximize benefits for themselves and family and enter STEM fields.

Note that the results are somewhat debated, for example see here https://dynomight.net/gender-equality-paradox/ for a summary.

Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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throw_bin_hat wrote: post #16
spzb wrote: post #14

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> females are worse at handling acute stress Every time this kind of issue comes up on HN there's someone who comes along to mansplain why women are inherently less able to do tech jobs. It's not a good look for our profession and we really should be above this by now.

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And that's exactly the attitude I'm talking about

Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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fxtentacle wrote: post #22
spzb wrote: post #14

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> females are worse at handling acute stress Every time this kind of issue comes up on HN there's someone who comes along to mansplain why women are inherently less able to do tech jobs. It's not a good look for our profession and we really should be above this by now.

This is a thorny discussion, but it appears that IQ is unevenly distributed and the differences in variance are even stronger. And the end result seems to be that if you select for IQ > 150 people, then you expect to see 80% men 20% women purely due to biological causes. Whether or not we (the society) should accept that outcome is a completely different thing. But if you average over enough people, there are very re…

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Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Post by IdiocyInAction »

hocuspocus wrote: post #25
throw_bin_hat wrote: post #18

Because science and technology is low status grunt work for peasants who are clever. Finance, law, medicine, etc are higher status middle class roles and that's where the aspirational end up.

Modern finance is literally indistinguishable from maths and tech. Law isn't a guaranteed way to a high status career anymore, far from it. Medicine sure. But the initial investment is multiple times that of a tech career, for fairly marginal gains in quality of life (when it isn't actually worse).

Quant finance might be indistinguishable, but that‘s still a small portion of finance. Traditional finance is still way more people-oriented.

Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Post by Ekaros »

hoseja wrote: post #28

“On the other hand, we need girls in STEM in order to stay economically competitive. ... There's the meat of why they are pushing this so hard, they want to drive down wages and seem to think there's an undertapped portion of the peasantry.

Wouldn't it raise prices on every other sector? As then there is less supply there, thus meaning employers have to pay more?

Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Post by lm28469 »

jleyank wrote: post #29
lm28469 wrote: post #26

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Pedantic much?

I don't think so, it's used a lot in the incel, and other, community in a degrading way. You don't say "I'll go to the swimming pool with my progeny" either

Words have meaning, if you use "men" in a sentence why use "female" in the next ?

Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Post by hunglee2 »

cycomanic wrote: post #30
hunglee2 wrote: post #4

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I can't find the research piece, but there was also a factor of material benefit - basically, in poorer countries EVERYONE is motivated to gravitate to the highest compensation, whereas in richer countries, there is less of an incentive

The topic is called the STEM gender equality paradox. It was started by paper in 2018 [1] which only really reported on the correlation. I think there is still quite a bit of debate as to the reasons, why this is true. [1] https://doi.org/10.1177%2F0956797617741719

excellent, this is research

Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Post by fxtentacle »

spzb wrote: post #33
fxtentacle wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a thorny discussion, but it appears that IQ is unevenly distributed and the differences in variance are even stronger. And the end result seems to be that if you select for IQ > 150 people, then you expect to see 80% men 20% women purely due to biological causes. Whether or not we (the society) should accept that outcome is a completely different thing. But if you average over enough people, there are very re…

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