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Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

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Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

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In my experience, the majority of dentists are criminal crooks. It‘s generally not nice to trick and steal from people, but dentists are in the unique position of leaving their victims in severe, chronic pain that can only be fixed by other dentists. I myself suffer from varying, chronic pain after a pointless visit where two "tiny" holes were drilled.

Anecdotally, but I find that female dentists seem to be less criminal crooks than male dentists. I only go to females for this reason.

Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

#32

Well it's only anecdotical of course, but I had a similar experience a couple of years ago that made me very confused about dentistry in general. At the time a had a small tooth ache so I was planning to visit a dentist to check it. I was living in Switzerland, where dentist costs are very high, but I was about to go on holiday to Tenerife, where prices are much lower. So I checked on the Internet and chose the denti…

Yep, sounds familiar. When I was a kid I broke one of my front teeth in half my dentist glued it back on saying it would probably not last too long but worth a try anyway. Many years later it broke off again. I didn't have dentist at the time (just moved) and did some shopping around (most had waiting lists). The first dentist said it was absolutely impossible to glue the bit back on, and offered to replace my tooth with a fake one entirely. Would cost only EUR 1500 or so.

I called around a bit more, and then another dentist said she had no time but she was on duty that night in the ER. Said I could just pop by in the hospital somewhere after midnight and she would have a look. In five minutes my tooth was glued together again. I paid 40 euro in cash and that was that.

Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

#33
I had a dentist in SF that did this, first visit to him I had 12 (?!) cavities that needed filling. Got suspicious -- their office was very very nice and in a prime location -- more importantly, none of my teeth hurt. A second opinion confirmed that the fillings were not necessary at that time. I did start flossing regularly as a result, so that I don't have to rely on dentistry as much.

Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

#34
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Always be skeptical when the person giving you a diagnosis also directly benefits from giving you a particular diagnosis. This goes for dentists, banking and so much more.

Can you give an example of a professional for whom this isn’t the case? Maybe a general practice doctor referring to a specialist? But often this involves trips back to the GP for checkups as well.

How about a fiduciary? Or maybe certain home inspectors?

Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

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post #11

Always be skeptical when the person giving you a diagnosis also directly benefits from giving you a particular diagnosis. This goes for dentists, banking and so much more.

Can you give an example of a professional for whom this isn’t the case? Maybe a general practice doctor referring to a specialist? But often this involves trips back to the GP for checkups as well.

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Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

#37
If you think this is bad, wait till you hear about [insert field of medicine here]!

In all seriousness, fraud is rampant, and cash pay or low regulation fields like dentistry can easily take advantage of patients and their health literacy.

In ophthalmology, you hear of “laser” cataract surgery, “floaterectomies”, telling patients they need cataract surgery well before they are symptomatic, dry eye treatments.

Hell, in cardiology there have been multiple cases of fraud uncovered where doctors were putting pacemakers and defibrillators in people that didn’t even need them!

Maybe I’m jaded, but when there exists such a profit incentive, we as healthcare providers struggle to “do no harm”. I’m lucky to be surrounded by mentors and other doctors that try and exemplify the moral behavior patients expect in healthcare, but imagine if I had a mentor early on like Dr Lund in the article..

Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

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Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

#39

All dentists I've tried, found by various methods (including recommedation from a GP I trust) have been dishonest and/or incompetent. A small business, serving laypersons who cannot evaluate the work, is prone to it. I think the only way is to stick with one dentists, so they see you as a long-term investment. funfact: Yelp was inspired by the difficulty of finding good dentists. Now I'm interested in DIY dentistry.…

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Re: Dentistry is less scientific and more gratuitous than people think (2019)

#40

Well it's only anecdotical of course, but I had a similar experience a couple of years ago that made me very confused about dentistry in general. At the time a had a small tooth ache so I was planning to visit a dentist to check it. I was living in Switzerland, where dentist costs are very high, but I was about to go on holiday to Tenerife, where prices are much lower. So I checked on the Internet and chose the denti…

I've been quite lucky with my current dentist since she's not a fan of replacing fillings. I have two old silver amalgam ones and I did ask her about it and she said she'd only do that in like an obvious case where it was freely wiggling or moving but otherwise they should be good for me for the rest of my life. I'm glad she's not one of those dentists that sees everything as a problem. Like when any potential carries were visible on the x-ray she'd usually wait until the next time to do another x-ray then see if it worsened before she went and drilled them out and filled them.
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