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Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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very interesting, love to get an update on this.

there is an incongruity that the theoretically more egalitarian the society, the less likely women are to enter STEM career path. I believe there is a much higher proportion of female engineers in India for example, than you might find a European country

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very interesting, love to get an update on this. there is an incongruity that the theoretically more egalitarian the society, the less likely women are to enter STEM career path. I believe there is a much higher proportion of female engineers in India for example, than you might find a European country

> I believe there is a much higher proportion of female engineers in India for example

I worked in delivery centres in India and the Philippines and can verify your hypothesis. I asked women colleagues there about their career motivation which was: state-sponsored IT studies, good earning perspective, safe working environment. None quoted interesting topics/career satisfaction as a top reason.

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very interesting, love to get an update on this. there is an incongruity that the theoretically more egalitarian the society, the less likely women are to enter STEM career path. I believe there is a much higher proportion of female engineers in India for example, than you might find a European country

> I believe there is a much higher proportion of female engineers in India for example I worked in delivery centres in India and the Philippines and can verify your hypothesis. I asked women colleagues there about their career motivation which was: state-sponsored IT studies, good earning perspective, safe working environment. None quoted interesting topics/career satisfaction as a top reason.

I can't find the research piece, but there was also a factor of material benefit - basically, in poorer countries EVERYONE is motivated to gravitate to the highest compensation, whereas in richer countries, there is less of an incentive

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very interesting, love to get an update on this. there is an incongruity that the theoretically more egalitarian the society, the less likely women are to enter STEM career path. I believe there is a much higher proportion of female engineers in India for example, than you might find a European country

I believe that the research paper that the paradox is from expressed it the other way around:

It's more like the more oppressive a country is, the more likely women will enter STEM.

The reasoning is that in harsher places, women will try to maximize benefits for themselves and family and enter STEM fields.

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post #2

very interesting, love to get an update on this. there is an incongruity that the theoretically more egalitarian the society, the less likely women are to enter STEM career path. I believe there is a much higher proportion of female engineers in India for example, than you might find a European country

I believe that the research paper that the paradox is from expressed it the other way around: It's more like the more oppressive a country is, the more likely women will enter STEM. The reasoning is that in harsher places, women will try to maximize benefits for themselves and family and enter STEM fields.

yes, I believe yours is the better phrasing on the point I was hoping the make. Thanks

Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Singapore is 48.25% women in STEM vs 28% globally. https://www.ntu.edu.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-...

However that number drops after graduation until it reaches a low 13.1 percent in management. The fact of the matter is that it isn't the lack of jobs or role models etc that's causing the issue, its the fact that females are worse at handling acute stress which is associated with STEM related jobs. Women require alot more emotional support that would simply be unavailable during a "facts only" argument or discussion. This is also partly why there are so little women in very early stage startups.

That being said, women are well suited for companies that have already gone past the initial growth stage, so instead of fighting against how different gender works, it may be better for everyone to focus on what they do best.

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Singapore is 48.25% women in STEM vs 28% globally. https://www.ntu.edu.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-... However that number drops after graduation until it reaches a low 13.1 percent in management. The fact of the matter is that it isn't the lack of jobs or role models etc that's causing the issue, its the fact that females are worse at handling acute stress which is associated with STEM related jobs. Wome…

While I agree that there are certainly different interests and other various non-nefarious reasons for why we won’t get a 50/50 gender division in all possible fields, I’d suggest you rethink the idea that women can’t handle stress.

For one thing, nursing is usually almost exclusively women and I don’t think that can be called a stress free environment.

Re: Why don’t European girls like science or technology? (2017)

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Singapore is 48.25% women in STEM vs 28% globally. https://www.ntu.edu.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-... However that number drops after graduation until it reaches a low 13.1 percent in management. The fact of the matter is that it isn't the lack of jobs or role models etc that's causing the issue, its the fact that females are worse at handling acute stress which is associated with STEM related jobs. Wome…

> the fact that females are worse at handling acute stress

Or, maybe, they just know better that enduring acute stress is a bad career choice.

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