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Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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Cultural and economic. We were once described as the "lucky country" which was used to encapsulate advantages Australia benefited from naturally, like distance from problems elsewhere in the world, great weather and natural resources. The origin of that label was a 1964 book The Lucky Country by Donald Horne where the author points out that: Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its…

So in short, we are too comfortable to need the dog eat dog cutthroat start-up mentality because it's never been required? I think this is a fair comment. For me, being a wage earner, I have to date been able to have a pretty decent middle class lifestyle without having to scheme, hustle or con anybody and I take a pretty dim view of those that do. But that is changing. As others have pointed out, it's now almost imp…

We are on track for another great depression, same as the rest of the world. It was kicked off last time in Australia by export demand and prices dropping significantly. The knock on effect to wage cuts and striking employees made the depression worse. Unemployment hit 30% at didn't get resolved until the end of the '30s.

If our exports to China and everywhere else get significantly reduced again, the same cycle could continue. Last time we pulled out of depression with manufacturing.

A snippet from Chapter 24 - Manufacturing Industry in the Year Book of Australia 1938 [0]:

The number of persons engaged in factories in Australia reached its highest point before the depression during the years 1926-27 to 1928-29 when the average for those years was slightly in excess of 450.000. The downward trend in manufacturing operations which began early in 1930 continued with increasing force until the number engaged had fallen to 336,658 in 1931-32, a decline of 25 per cent, on the average already quoted. In 1932-33 employment began to increase and gains were recorded in each year thereafter until a new high level of 523,948 was reached in 1936-37.

The classes of manufacturing that employed the most were:

Although factory employment in 1936-37 was considerably greater than pre- depression levels the gains have been confined to comparatively few classes. The largest class of all— Industrial Metals, etc. —now employs 30,000 more persons than before the depression, Textiles 15,000 more, Food, Drink and Tobacco 7,500, Miscellaneous Products 4,500, Chemicals, etc. 3.500, and Paper, Stationery, etc. 3,500. Five classes reported less employment in 1936-37 including the major classes, Clothing and Woodworking.

We really should be pushing rooftop solar and key home-made items as much as possible, maybe even legislating it as a requirement where it makes economic sense. Lowering costs as much as possible could make a lower wage bearable. Tackling the difficulty with love will be key in softening a more authoritarian turn in the '40s for fear of secondary economic effects.

In every downturn there's plenty of opportunity, the next depression might make the next manufacturing mega corporations out of Australia.

[0] https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/DetailsPage/1301.01...

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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Well, any software that gets written here can be legally forced to have secret backdoors in it by the government, so I'm not surprised people perhaps don't want to build products here.

This is FUD. The law has always had limitations built-in to ensure that this isn't true [0].

The government can only force you to use backdoors you already have, for example if you don't use end-to-end encryption and already have the keys.

[0]: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997...

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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As an immigrant to Australia, the dream is now being able to rent it. Cannot say that I feel that there is tall poppy at work, things can be quite creative and competitive. Schools do give that feeling of subdued expectations. I’d say education is the key factor for subpar performance, with very limited focus on academic achievement and inter generational education segregation partially built into the system. Austral…

> the dream is now being able to rent it I'm not sure that's the dream. For me it's a massive cause of anxiety and recurring stress. I've been renting for my entire adult life in NSW. Despite NSW (and Australia in general) having pretty decent tenant protections - it's getting increasingly difficult to find a landlord/real-estate agent who isn't trying to just outright screw their tenants, because they can get away w…

Wow. This seems terrible. I never really understood the anglo obsession with owning a house (easier to move with rentals, outperformed by the stock market while not paying dividends, and still crashing with the stock market).

But if renting is that bad in your world, i really understand.

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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post #72

Well, any software that gets written here can be legally forced to have secret backdoors in it by the government, so I'm not surprised people perhaps don't want to build products here.

This is FUD. The law has always had limitations built-in to ensure that this isn't true [0]. The government can only force you to use backdoors you already have, for example if you don't use end-to-end encryption and already have the keys. [0]: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997...

You can't be forced to introduce a "systemic" weakness. On the other hand, a certain four-letter agency can certainly craft a TAN requesting you to, say, weaken your key negotiation for a specific client.

That's targetted, not systemic. And hey, you're not removing the encryption your just making it slightly less secure. Neatly sidesteps a whole bunch of restrictions in 317ZG.

It's only FUD until the policy makers decide it's the norm :P

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is FUD. The law has always had limitations built-in to ensure that this isn't true [0]. The government can only force you to use backdoors you already have, for example if you don't use end-to-end encryption and already have the keys. [0]: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997...

You can't be forced to introduce a "systemic" weakness. On the other hand, a certain four-letter agency can certainly craft a TAN requesting you to, say, weaken your key negotiation for a specific client. That's targetted, not systemic. And hey, you're not removing the encryption your just making it slightly less secure. Neatly sidesteps a whole bunch of restrictions in 317ZG. It's only FUD until the policy makers de…

A "back door" would by definition be systemic, so the initial comment's statement that the government could compel backdoors is FUD.

But yes, targeted attacks are permitted, but only so long as they don't cause any collateral damage.

Making encryption systemically less secure is forbidden by 317ZG paragraph 3.

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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lol, investment in communications ranked 4th. our internet speeds are garbage, what is this metric even meant to represent?

I was surprised by how terrible NBN is, and how expensive/rare fiber internet is in Sydney. People commonly complain how bad internet access is in the US, but at least the major cities have access to fiber...

>People commonly complain how bad internet access is in the US

The US has the world's eighth-fastest median broadband speed (https://www.speedtest.net/global-index#fixed>).

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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All three. Culturally, tall poppy syndrome prevents successful people from showing their success, and it is seen as a massive problem to fail. These two things alone make up a pretty chilling force. You have few good local VCs (though maybe I'm out of the loop), a tiny stock market that doesn't "get" tech and a high cost of living/wage expectation. At a policy level our economy's geared to property so what money ther…

I don't see the "Tall Poppy syndrome" thing so much anymore. People don't get "cut" simply for being good at what they do. I see it as a combination of: - smack talk. Which if you are that good in your game you will expect. - an assumption you screwed over someone - or many people. You have to demonstrate you are not an arsehole. Until then, if you are successful, it will be assumed you probably are.

I think this highlights one of the major differences between Australia and the US, in the US there appears to be some tolerance to arseholes as long as they are bringing in the $$. In Australia, the arseholes tend to get kicked regardless of how wealthy they are, in fact the more wealthy the bigger the target. In general it appears that bribery (in it's many forms) is less than in the US, wealth in and of itself does not impress people.

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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post #75

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You can't be forced to introduce a "systemic" weakness. On the other hand, a certain four-letter agency can certainly craft a TAN requesting you to, say, weaken your key negotiation for a specific client. That's targetted, not systemic. And hey, you're not removing the encryption your just making it slightly less secure. Neatly sidesteps a whole bunch of restrictions in 317ZG. It's only FUD until the policy makers de…

A "back door" would by definition be systemic, so the initial comment's statement that the government could compel backdoors is FUD. But yes, targeted attacks are permitted, but only so long as they don't cause any collateral damage. Making encryption systemically less secure is forbidden by 317ZG paragraph 3.

Have you read the whole legislation? It's not FUD... the Australian government has the powers for full commandeering of it's citizens via TOLA

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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post #75

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A "back door" would by definition be systemic, so the initial comment's statement that the government could compel backdoors is FUD. But yes, targeted attacks are permitted, but only so long as they don't cause any collateral damage. Making encryption systemically less secure is forbidden by 317ZG paragraph 3.

Have you read the whole legislation? It's not FUD... the Australian government has the powers for full commandeering of it's citizens via TOLA

I've given you a factual basis for my claim that backdoor powers are FUD: section 317ZG puts clear limitations in place that forbid backdoors or any other kind of systemic weakness.

If you want to argue that backdoor powers are real and not FUD, please back up your statement with facts (e.g. a limitation on 317ZG or a case where it does not apply).

Re: Australia ranked 61/63 countries for entrepreneurship

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Well, any software that gets written here can be legally forced to have secret backdoors in it by the government, so I'm not surprised people perhaps don't want to build products here.

This is FUD. The law has always had limitations built-in to ensure that this isn't true [0]. The government can only force you to use backdoors you already have, for example if you don't use end-to-end encryption and already have the keys. [0]: http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997...

Yes, it's FUD. But it's only FUD because they don't need a new backdoor. They already have one.

It's the automatic update system, which ironically has to be there for security updates. The automatic update system means on devices that identify their customers, the act demands any software provider not only provide access to the device via that mechanism, they must also provide assistance such as writing software the host OS won't complain about when it is downloaded using the mechanism. That is why it's called the Assistance and Access act, 2018. It provides access to just about any device, and forces the manufacturer to any and all assistance required to get that access.

Devices that identify their users are ubiquitous. Anybody that sells you something in anticipation of getting an ongoing revenue stream from it will have to identify you. That includes Android, Windows, iOS, your Samsung TV, ... Any device that asks you to register with an email address or phone number can be targeted exactly. The act does devote many words to saying all bugs and spying devices must be targeted very specifically like it's some huge restriction, while never going out of it's way to make it plain just about all devices can now be targeted specifically.

And yes, security updates are systemic weakness. In fact I refuse to own stuff that is supposed to be highly secure that does allow security updates. Think security tokens, SIMs, credit cards, ... If it's broken I'll go down to the store and anonymously buy a new one thank you. And because security updates are a systemic weakness - the long and flowing waffle in the act about no introducing systemic vulnerabilities is there purely as a smoke screen. They don't need to introduce new systemic vulnerabilities - they already have a perfectly good one.

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