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Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by evandijk70 »

oneoff786 wrote: post #64
jiggawatts wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yes, but then you're basically buying an expensive monitor and will need a second device to be the "smarts". I personally use an Apple TV for this, but in general this can be frustrating for users that just want their Smart TV to work without spying on them or implementing centrally triggered scheduled obsolescence. This is a bit like saying you should "never" turn on your new car's engine and should immediately…

I find this argument weird. Most people don’t want smart TVs. Dedicated smart devices are just better. Even non techies will probably feel this way because the TVs suck and the remote control interface is clunky and confusing. There’s simply no option to buy a dumb tv that isn’t something weird like a monitor or digital signage. Imo nothing beats a laptop with a wireless mouse and keyboard. So much better than a shit…

Please provide a source that 'most people don't want a smart TV'. That is not my experience at all.

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by bluejekyll »

robbiep wrote: post #66
oneoff786 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not ok that your tv has a banner ad!

It took me a little while (and it seems like they managed to add some more domains at one point) but I’ve successfully blocked all outgoing connections from my TV and removed the ads

Why have the TV on the network at all?

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by kyrra »

icod wrote: post #26

I'm totally done with Samsung. Their TVs are overpriced and bad, their phones add undeletable bloatware, remove useful stuff like headphone/mic jack, have low battery life and capacity and they force you to buy the flagship model, if you don't you'll receive a really small battery that even in the flagship model is not large enough. If you don't buy Galaxy series you won't even be able to mirror output via USB. And s…

Their appliance division has issues too. There are 2 ongoing lawsuits around their refrigerators.

2017 ice makers leak water (mine does this). https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/new-development-samsung-ic...

2022: fridge gets too warm: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/samsung-refrigerator-class-acti...

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by pabs3 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #31

Every time this comes up I feel obligated to add the following: 1) Samsung televisions spy on your mercilessly . They collect everything they can, including screenshots at regular intervals and send them back to Samsung so that they can sell this to "partners". They are not a FAANG and don't have anywhere near their level of security expertise. I have second-hand but reliable information about their security approach…

If Software Freedom Conservancy win their lawsuit against Vizio for GPL violations in their TVs, you will probably be able to install open source Linux distros with Kodi on any Vizio TV and soon afterwards lots of other smart TV vendors will be similar. Allowing the vendor operating system to remain on the device after you purchase it basically means spyware these days.

https://sfconservancy.org/copyleft-compliance/vizio.html

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

Geonode wrote: post #38
interpol_p wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never allow a TV or monitor to connect to your Wi-Fi network and you'll be able to avoid these two issues

Every thread dozens of people say, "just don't connect!" They can connect to open networks such as Amazon sidewalk and other deliberate corporate IoT sabotage, and soon I'm sure we'll see the first televisions that require connection to even pass a signal from the HDMI port. The best thing to do is not support this immoral garbage through apathy or ignorance.

Is it possible to setup an open wifi "honeypot" on some old Android phone to 'capture' the TV?

Yes, this should not be necessary, but actual legislated protections for this kind of behaviour don't exist, and aren't even being discussed at any high-enough level that makes it appear that action may be closer than a decade away (unless maybe in Europe, in which case may be only five years away).

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

evandijk70 wrote: post #71
oneoff786 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find this argument weird. Most people don’t want smart TVs. Dedicated smart devices are just better. Even non techies will probably feel this way because the TVs suck and the remote control interface is clunky and confusing. There’s simply no option to buy a dumb tv that isn’t something weird like a monitor or digital signage. Imo nothing beats a laptop with a wireless mouse and keyboard. So much better than a shit…

Please provide a source that 'most people don't want a smart TV'. That is not my experience at all.

I'll add some nuance:

- Most people don't know what they're missing re: clunky interface controls

- Most people want a single feature-complete device that doesn't take up an HDMI port or require another set of cables to connect (yes, that's trivial, even enjoyable, for 'us', but 'they' are not 'us').

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by lotsofpulp »

effingwewt wrote: post #56
lern_too_spel wrote: post #44

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LG makea better TVs, appliances, phones, everything.

No, they do not. The TVs and the appliances are garbage. So garbage they still can't hire techs in LA. They pay you commission but only only on closed and profitable calls. They are almost never closed due to backorders of parts, especially boards, and especially now. Samsung and LG are both the same garbage in different packages. For TVs Id do your best to find a dumb one or use a monitor. For applicances it depends…

Most people would be better off buying a new fridge every time it breaks rather than a subzero. Subzero is at least twice as expensive, if not 4x as expensive as a consumer level fridge.

Costco even offers a 4 year warranty if you buy with their credit card.

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by moistly »

kyrra wrote: post #73
icod wrote: post #26

I'm totally done with Samsung. Their TVs are overpriced and bad, their phones add undeletable bloatware, remove useful stuff like headphone/mic jack, have low battery life and capacity and they force you to buy the flagship model, if you don't you'll receive a really small battery that even in the flagship model is not large enough. If you don't buy Galaxy series you won't even be able to mirror output via USB. And s…

Their appliance division has issues too. There are 2 ongoing lawsuits around their refrigerators. 2017 ice makers leak water (mine does this). https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/new-development-samsung-ic... 2022: fridge gets too warm: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/samsung-refrigerator-class-acti...

Fridge: inadequate hearer coil design allows drain to freeze, causing overflow & water spillage. PITA but ultimately fixable with a hack.

Dishwasher: POS, ‘nuf said.

Induction stove: cooktop has been excellent, oven convection gave up the ghost.

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by tuananh »

bluejekyll wrote: post #72
robbiep wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took me a little while (and it seems like they managed to add some more domains at one point) but I’ve successfully blocked all outgoing connections from my TV and removed the ads

Why have the TV on the network at all?

youtube, netflix, etc...?

Re: Samsung Busted for Cheating TV Test Benchmarks

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Post by stormbrew »

throwmeaway1212 wrote: post #35
interpol_p wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never allow a TV or monitor to connect to your Wi-Fi network and you'll be able to avoid these two issues

HDMI can carry ethernet, so not connecting to wifi isn't a 100% fix.

It's pretty unlikely that you'll have ethernet over hdmi happening unless you go way out of your way to have it. It's not really something that just happens spontaneously, you need your devices to have it and the cable to support it. I think eARC canibalized the channels it used too?
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