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Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by rsfinn »

Tsiklon wrote: post #27
masklinn wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The marketing names for macOS and OSX have always been random other than having a general theme to it. Not entirely true: two of the cats were name variations of their predecessors to express an intent of limited end-user / feature updates and a focus on refinement (even though taxonomically the cats have basically no relationships outside of being cats, mountain lions aren’t even in the same genus as lions)

In a sense they sort of did continue this style of convention with Yosemite and El Capitan (the latter being in the former), Sierra and High Sierra. It’s only in the last few releases that the dart board has come out

Since they moved macOS off version 10.x (finally), "Apple's crack marketing team" left the desert (Mojave) for the Pacific coast. Unfortunately, they didn't plan the trip carefully, so they started at Big Sur with macOS 11, went north to Monterey for macOS 12, then turned around and headed back south to Ventura for macOS 13. At least those locations are in alphabetical order -- but with Ventura they seem to have painted themselves into a corner.

So will macOS 14 be further south (Carlsbad?) or back north (Eureka?) -- stay tuned...

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by philistine »

anaisbetts wrote: post #49
DavideNL wrote: post #42

> " Passkeys aim to solve the problems with passwords " So are you locked in with Apple if you use this, or can you switch all your existing passwords to another "passkey provider/service" ? > " Wave Goodbye to CAPTCHAS " I assume that's Safari only... so this is bad news for Firefox?

Assumedly any service that implements this will let you reset your password away from Passkeys, but it's still the soft lockin of "Ughhhh I don't want to reset everything". Sites will never go full Passkeys because that obviously falls over if you want to access it from any other device or computer, support request costs would go through the ceiling

I wouldn’t be surprised if banks go passkeys only.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by philistine »

eknkc wrote: post #94
ramesh31 wrote: post #3

Am I the only one increasingly frustrated with macOS's naming scheme? I have no idea what the latest version is. Ubuntu versioning gets this right; you can parse their codenames alphabetically to derive the semantic version. But Apple's heuristic here seems to be "throw a dart at a map of California".

Just use years. You are already releasing shit yearly. Name it macOS 22. These places mean nothing to me.

The strength of the California brand across the globe is crazy good. It’s all a bit of marketing.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by philistine »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #54
Macha wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ventura has a meaning to me.... Ace Ventura, a cartoon from my childhood about a egotistical questionably competent detective. I'm not sure that's the image Apple wants to give off though...

Sunny beach town, Spanish mission, etc.

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Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by sys_64738 »

more_corn wrote: post #32
Ensorceled wrote: post #15

5-6 year support for hardware is just too short. I have a Mid 2015 Macbook Pro as a "backup" and that computer is still quite decent.

They haven’t yet released a machine worth upgrading to if you’re on a 2015 MBP. I recently got a 14” M1 and I think I’ll just reinstall my 2015 and move back to it.

Battery life and speed alone are totally noticeable. This doesn't mention that Intel fires up the fans anytime a CPU calculation is done. I think you're being disingenuous here.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by sys_64738 »

kemayo wrote: post #58

Nothing terribly major here, it sounds like. Making login items visible is a long-overdue change... but none of these are going to have any particular impact on average users or average apps. On a pettier note, can we get a better source than a website that's using JS to change its title when it doesn't have focus to try to gain attention? (It toggles about every second between "macOS Ventura | 7 New Security Changes…

I noticed it even did that in Reader Mode in Safari. Really annoying.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by rsfinn »

Macha wrote: post #17
bangonkeyboard wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can picture a big cat in my mind. That helped to peg OS X releases and enabled me to mentally distinguish and order them. I can't picture "Monterey" or "Ventura" or any other macOS names, they have no meaning to me.

Ventura has a meaning to me.... Ace Ventura, a cartoon from my childhood about a egotistical questionably competent detective. I'm not sure that's the image Apple wants to give off though...

"Ventura Highway, in the sunshine..." [0]

I may be dating myself somewhat here.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventura_Highway

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by sys_64738 »

jessriedel wrote: post #22

Mostly off-topic: have Apple and Microsoft completely given up on non-trivial changes to desktop operating systems? Will MacOS look basically the same in 40 years? Or is the idea that everything will be AR/VR by then and there is no use innovating in this domain?

If you look at independent developers working on the Mac OS, you find it's pretty much dead. Only the name programs get updated nowadays whereas everybody else has moved to iPhone/iPad as that's where the money is. Open source still chugs along though.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by philistine »

brundolf wrote: post #44
jessriedel wrote: post #22

Mostly off-topic: have Apple and Microsoft completely given up on non-trivial changes to desktop operating systems? Will MacOS look basically the same in 40 years? Or is the idea that everything will be AR/VR by then and there is no use innovating in this domain?

Window management has continued to evolve in nontrivial ways, imo. More fundamental interactions probably won't and probably shouldn't change; those idioms are mature and deeply engrained at this point. It would alienate swathes of users to rock such an established boat.

Microsoft tried with Windows on their phones. Look where that led them.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by oreilles »

ksec wrote: post #97
filoleg wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can see why most on HN (and actually outside of HN too) would say a larger trackpad is great, so I think you might indeed be in the minority opinion on this one. Even mainstream reviewers tended to list it as a positive. But butterfly keyboard had been pretty much universally decried as a terrible mistake almost everywhere, including HN.

>But butterfly keyboard had been pretty much universally decried as a terrible mistake almost everywhere, including HN. That was certainly not the case until the reliability problem got magnified in 2018. When the problem has been there since 2016. Before that Butterfly was somehow the holy grail for touch typist.

I don't believe it ever was the holy grail of touch typist. First, it was incredibly loud, and most people complained about it. The key travel distance was mostly cited as a con, not a pro. And only then the reliablity issues started to arise. But it didn't take 2018. This article (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15496745) made it to the top of HN in Oct 2017, but people had already been complaining for months (See this article from February https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/some-2016-macbook-pro-o...).
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