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Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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>What the actual fuck are they thinking just use a decent cam in the laptop It will actually almost double the weight of the overall laptop if they added the same camera as they do on iPhone.

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It's simple math. To hold the camera housing of an iPhone camera the thickness has to go up which means the entire top lid needs to become thicker. This will easily double the weight of the laptop.

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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Lighting and composition can do a lot to compensate for a weak camera, but read the post: this isn’t saying “Zoom video looks bad [potentially because of bad lighting and composition],” it’s saying “even high-end webcams are enormously worse than even old, low-end/front-facing cell phone cameras in the same conditions, and it’s not getting better.” So yes, all things being equal, better lighting helps. But this post…

> So yes, all things being equal, better lighting helps $63 on a C920, add one window (typically ships free with your house/apartment) plus access to one truly special light source which although it's 93 million miles away you were lucky enough to get a free lifetime subscription to when you arrived on this planet. Why spent time worrying about what a cell phone camera can achieve in poor or uneven lighting if a bog-…

My current apartment has no south windows. The previous unit had none east. Before that, no north. Before that, no south or north windows.

"Just" fixing some problems can be a luxury.

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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Phones have camera bumps. And screens could be thicker where needed.

> Phones have camera bumps. And that’s pretty annoying, a computer lid bump would snag into everything. > And screens could be thicker where needed. My phone’s thrice the thickness of my laptop’s lid. This would increase the laptop’s thickness by a lot, and mostly by voids.

The bump would go towards the keyboard, I'd think.

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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Or, just turning on any bright lights will do wonders. Most people have very dim lighting.

> just turning on any bright lights Umm, it really depends where those lights are relative to the camera. None of us look our best when light brightly from directly overhead, or from one side, or - if you're really after that Dracula look - from directly underneath. The sun is a unique (free!) light source, particularly if you're able to get access through a North-facing window. It's quite costly (time and money) to…

I know what you’re getting at, but for people who can’t rearrange their house, good lighting is definitely cheaper than a north facing window :)

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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Here's a question: why do people care so much about what they look like or how the camera displays them? Personally, I care more about the content being delivered than what someone (including the scene) looks like.

It matters a lot for adult camming, or any camming where the physical appearance is part of the appeal.

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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> So yes, all things being equal, better lighting helps $63 on a C920, add one window (typically ships free with your house/apartment) plus access to one truly special light source which although it's 93 million miles away you were lucky enough to get a free lifetime subscription to when you arrived on this planet. Why spent time worrying about what a cell phone camera can achieve in poor or uneven lighting if a bog-…

My current apartment has no south windows. The previous unit had none east. Before that, no north. Before that, no south or north windows. "Just" fixing some problems can be a luxury.

> "Just" fixing some problems can be a luxury

It really needn't be. (Proper) photographers have been dealing with these very same issues for longer than we've all been worrying about how we look on Zoom.

Window Light: The Biggest, Bestest Softbox You Already Own:

"Let’s say your windows are west-facing and you want to shoot in the afternoon. And you’re really terrified of hard light. Keep thinking of your window as a softbox. You just need what they refer to in film production as a “silk”. The same material (ripstop nylon) that is found on the front of most softboxes can be placed in front of your window to turn hard, late day light into a glowing, golden, majestic light bath for your subject’s face."[0]

[0] https://fstoppers.com/education/window-light-biggest-bestest...

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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Sure! 1) Avoid fluorescent lighting like the plague. You’ll look sickly. 2) Find a nice warm (tungsten/more orange) lamp if your lighting is inadequate. It can be small it doesn’t matter. Place it diagonally from you at eye level. 3) Camera at eye level. 4) If you want to get fancy, get another lamp higher above you (several feet) and place it opposite your main lamp for a backlight. So if your main light is front ri…

Camera at eye level is very hard when your giant monitor is at eye level. I almost wish there was some way to make monitors act like teleprompters.

Yeah that’s always a factor. If you can’t you can’t, simple as that. It just helps make you look less distracted as well as makes you “more flattering.” Definitely don’t have it angled up if you can avoid it or you look patronizing.

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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Webcams are good enough for their purpose which is video conferencing and calls. In the end your video is likely going to be encoded in like 360p low bitrate. I personally prefer not being in razor sharp detail on calls anyway. Anyway this is the one I've been using. https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Webcam-Built-Stereo-Micropho... I like the integrated shutter better than the cover thing for the c920.

If you tweak some zoom settings you can get a slightly-less-shitty bitrate, and people constantly comment on the quality of my MILC-based setup (APS-C camera with a cheapo chinese prime f/1.2 lens). This is vs the $200-ish logitech external webcam that is standard issue at my company.

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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Sure! 1) Avoid fluorescent lighting like the plague. You’ll look sickly. 2) Find a nice warm (tungsten/more orange) lamp if your lighting is inadequate. It can be small it doesn’t matter. Place it diagonally from you at eye level. 3) Camera at eye level. 4) If you want to get fancy, get another lamp higher above you (several feet) and place it opposite your main lamp for a backlight. So if your main light is front ri…

Camera at eye level is very hard when your giant monitor is at eye level. I almost wish there was some way to make monitors act like teleprompters.

The top of your monitor should also be eye level, and slightly angled up, so you never look up, only straight or down. Better for your neck. If you're doing this, then your webcam will also be nearly eye level as well.

Re: Webcams aren't good enough

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post #117

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Lighting and composition can do a lot to compensate for a weak camera, but read the post: this isn’t saying “Zoom video looks bad [potentially because of bad lighting and composition],” it’s saying “even high-end webcams are enormously worse than even old, low-end/front-facing cell phone cameras in the same conditions, and it’s not getting better.” So yes, all things being equal, better lighting helps. But this post…

> So yes, all things being equal, better lighting helps $63 on a C920, add one window (typically ships free with your house/apartment) plus access to one truly special light source which although it's 93 million miles away you were lucky enough to get a free lifetime subscription to when you arrived on this planet. Why spent time worrying about what a cell phone camera can achieve in poor or uneven lighting if a bog-…

Imagine the mind blowing privilege of not just having a separate home office, but having being able to design it to yoru exact specifications with a window facing north, and telling people to "just add windows". Some people on here are so out of touch.
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