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Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by fritigern »

dundarious wrote: post #117
fritigern wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're in a country with better privacy laws Speaking as a European: I think this is a very important topic for us. I don't think Americans and American companies understand how little trust rest of us have for the American government. Working with a company that is not subject to the whims of the American government is a huge privacy win. If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are base…

I’m surprised you emphasized government wrt. privacy here. Sure, despite the fact that the US government institutions have more mechanisms for oversight and transparency after 20 or 40 years, etc., they are certainly the most profligate in their use of surveillance and hacking, etc., and US three letter agencies are the most adept at completely side-stepping those publicized limitations — so it’s not like the governm…

I am not worried too much about corporate surveillance. I can always shop somewhere else. I can't change my government.

I use DDG because I don't like Google. I can't do the same with my government.

Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by pydry »

fritigern wrote: post #53
hannob wrote: post #31

I find it really strange where some privacy debates have gone wrong, and this is a perfect example. It's basically a form of "don't trust them, better trust us, also we're in a country with better privacy laws". Which is an imperfect solution at best, and given that I have no idea who bunny.net is it's a questionable one at best. If you embed a font hosted somewhere else you expose some of your user data to them. Now…

> we're in a country with better privacy laws Speaking as a European: I think this is a very important topic for us. I don't think Americans and American companies understand how little trust rest of us have for the American government. Working with a company that is not subject to the whims of the American government is a huge privacy win. If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are base…

>If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are based on Switzerland

Crypto AG was based out of switzerland.

Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by omoikane »

After changing the sample text on fonts.bunny.net to something that is non-English, all missing characters are all rendered with the same font. Chrome inspector will show the actual font being used under "Rendered fonts", and it appears to be whatever the locally configured fallback is.

This is in contrast with the behavior on fonts.google.com where missing characters are rendered with an inline image to explicitly show the missing glyph.

I prefer the fonts.google.com behavior here, which makes it easier to find fonts that have all the glyphs I need.

Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by fritigern »

kube-system wrote: post #128
fritigern wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're in a country with better privacy laws Speaking as a European: I think this is a very important topic for us. I don't think Americans and American companies understand how little trust rest of us have for the American government. Working with a company that is not subject to the whims of the American government is a huge privacy win. If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are base…

Unless you're under a totalitarian government, spies aren't really interested in most people's data. Data brokers, on the other hand, are willing to sell anything they can profit from.

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Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by fritigern »

pydry wrote: post #152
fritigern wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're in a country with better privacy laws Speaking as a European: I think this is a very important topic for us. I don't think Americans and American companies understand how little trust rest of us have for the American government. Working with a company that is not subject to the whims of the American government is a huge privacy win. If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are base…

>If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are based on Switzerland Crypto AG was based out of switzerland.

It was owned by American Government.

Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by Nextgrid »

323 wrote: post #93

Don't trust Google, trust us, a 30 person company. This is exactly what a FBI/CIA/GCHQ/FSB front company would say. They love to set up fronts in good-reputation countries, like Switzerland, or Slovenia in this case.

Google has a proven track record of being malicious and a business model that relies on it.

If I had to choose I'd take the unknown evil rather than the 100% known evil, though in this case it's dumb to use either option when you can trivially self-host.

Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by yieldcrv »

fritigern wrote: post #53
hannob wrote: post #31

I find it really strange where some privacy debates have gone wrong, and this is a perfect example. It's basically a form of "don't trust them, better trust us, also we're in a country with better privacy laws". Which is an imperfect solution at best, and given that I have no idea who bunny.net is it's a questionable one at best. If you embed a font hosted somewhere else you expose some of your user data to them. Now…

> we're in a country with better privacy laws Speaking as a European: I think this is a very important topic for us. I don't think Americans and American companies understand how little trust rest of us have for the American government. Working with a company that is not subject to the whims of the American government is a huge privacy win. If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are base…

The internet culture's understanding of Swiss privacy laws are laughable at best. Switzerland has existing laws to any and everything for records.

You are trusting them just as much as a server in any other country. Saying "Switzerland" is all marketing for privacy enthusiasts who aren't going to do anything on their own.

Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by fritigern »

geraneum wrote: post #80
fritigern wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're in a country with better privacy laws Speaking as a European: I think this is a very important topic for us. I don't think Americans and American companies understand how little trust rest of us have for the American government. Working with a company that is not subject to the whims of the American government is a huge privacy win. If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are base…

People are talking about the possibility of being spied on by governments. I think if you’re targeted by government or intelligence agencies, then even self hosting most likely won’t save you from them. What is important here, and why these laws matter, is how trivial it is to get access to your data, or for companies to sell your data. That’s why I appreciate the European’s effort to have better laws for our privacy…

You are probably right, but that doesn't mean I want to make it easy for them.

Re: Bunny fonts – privacy respecting drop-in replacement for Google Fonts

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Post by fritigern »

DocTomoe wrote: post #90
fritigern wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're in a country with better privacy laws Speaking as a European: I think this is a very important topic for us. I don't think Americans and American companies understand how little trust rest of us have for the American government. Working with a company that is not subject to the whims of the American government is a huge privacy win. If a company pitches me a product, they start 1 points ahead if they are base…

> ... for the American government or any government, especially our own, for that matter. Some just have a better track record at being bound by the rules they give themselves than others.

When it comes to privacy and human rights, America's record is one of the worst in the world.
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