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Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by jen20 »

jl6 wrote: post #7
ramesh31 wrote: post #3

Am I the only one increasingly frustrated with macOS's naming scheme? I have no idea what the latest version is. Ubuntu versioning gets this right; you can parse their codenames alphabetically to derive the semantic version. But Apple's heuristic here seems to be "throw a dart at a map of California".

Ubuntu has both a codename and a version number. macOS has a version number too (Ventura is 13) but Apple frustratingly don’t use it prominently.

The version number and build number are on the "About this Mac" screen and in the output of `sw_vers` - where else would you like to see it used?

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by DavideNL »

> "Passkeys aim to solve the problems with passwords"

So are you locked in with Apple if you use this, or can you switch all your existing passwords to another "passkey provider/service" ?

> "Wave Goodbye to CAPTCHAS"

I assume that's Safari only... so this is bad news for Firefox?

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by brundolf »

prpl wrote: post #34

I’m sure quite a few MBP 2015 users are going to be a little sad the end is near. I loved that machine. I was able to skip the 2017 MBP and go to 2019, but honestly I miss the smaller trackpad.

Will non-Ventura devices still get vulnerabilities patched, or are they dead in the water?

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by brundolf »

jessriedel wrote: post #22

Mostly off-topic: have Apple and Microsoft completely given up on non-trivial changes to desktop operating systems? Will MacOS look basically the same in 40 years? Or is the idea that everything will be AR/VR by then and there is no use innovating in this domain?

Window management has continued to evolve in nontrivial ways, imo. More fundamental interactions probably won't and probably shouldn't change; those idioms are mature and deeply engrained at this point. It would alienate swathes of users to rock such an established boat.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by yurishimo »

nvrspyx wrote: post #38
jessriedel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I have been baffled that it was always so difficult for the user to manage what’s auto-launched on start-up. So many apps try to bury into start-up so they can keep collecting data and lightly spamming the user. Can anyone shed light on why it took so long? I had always figured the non-existence of a login items panel was a purposeful choice.

It's actually been there for a long time. It's a separate tab in "Users & Groups" pre-Ventura.

Apps aren’t required to use that screen though. Some of them will, but a lot of apps not in the App Store can and do register themselves with launchd on their own.

Apple should be proactive and extract those items automatically, but in practice, they don’t.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by michaelmrose »

Kerrick wrote: post #20
Ensorceled wrote: post #15

5-6 year support for hardware is just too short. I have a Mid 2015 Macbook Pro as a "backup" and that computer is still quite decent.

MacOS versions tend to receive security updates for 2 additional years after they’re supplanted, so it’s more like 7-8 years. Plus, all of the Macs that aren’t eligible for Ventura can use Bootcamp to install Windows or dual boot into Linux if you’re not happy with MacOS anymore.

The newest machine that can't run the new version would be a Mac Pro purchased a scant 4 years ago. Potentially for several thousand dollars.

Meanwhile there are 10 year old ~$1000 Thinkpads running Windows 11 or Linux. If they just wanted to run Linux on it they could have saved themselves some money.

8 years of updates to current version and 10 years of security updates should be the absolute minimum for every expensive hardware.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by jl6 »

jen20 wrote: post #41
jl6 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu has both a codename and a version number. macOS has a version number too (Ventura is 13) but Apple frustratingly don’t use it prominently.

The version number and build number are on the "About this Mac" screen and in the output of `sw_vers` - where else would you like to see it used?

In marketing material, such as here:

https://www.apple.com/uk/macos/macos-ventura-preview/

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by stouset »

more_corn wrote: post #32
Ensorceled wrote: post #15

5-6 year support for hardware is just too short. I have a Mid 2015 Macbook Pro as a "backup" and that computer is still quite decent.

They haven’t yet released a machine worth upgrading to if you’re on a 2015 MBP. I recently got a 14” M1 and I think I’ll just reinstall my 2015 and move back to it.

That’s certainly a hot take. I’m not sure many would share that opinion.

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by anaisbetts »

DavideNL wrote: post #42

> " Passkeys aim to solve the problems with passwords " So are you locked in with Apple if you use this, or can you switch all your existing passwords to another "passkey provider/service" ? > " Wave Goodbye to CAPTCHAS " I assume that's Safari only... so this is bad news for Firefox?

Assumedly any service that implements this will let you reset your password away from Passkeys, but it's still the soft lockin of "Ughhhh I don't want to reset everything".

Sites will never go full Passkeys because that obviously falls over if you want to access it from any other device or computer, support request costs would go through the ceiling

Re: Apple’s macOS Ventura – New Security Changes

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Post by gernb »

DavideNL wrote: post #42

> " Passkeys aim to solve the problems with passwords " So are you locked in with Apple if you use this, or can you switch all your existing passwords to another "passkey provider/service" ? > " Wave Goodbye to CAPTCHAS " I assume that's Safari only... so this is bad news for Firefox?

curious too as someone that uses 7 computers running 3 OSes, are my passkeys accessable, syncable, across OSes?
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