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Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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Seems like a lot of the things he finds funny are because he's a suit, and has always been a suit. He always gets modded up by the former reddit/current YC news community, and I've never figured out why, since normally the same people seem to be anti-suit.

I thought most of them were funny too. Startups are basically comedies, or at least seem so in retrospect. One thing I've learned from YC is that practically all startups are broken in some way, no matter what face they show to the world. And novel kinds of breakage are the basis of humor.

"Startups are basically comedies [...]"

I've been seriously waiting for a Scrubs-style primetime comedy on startups and/or Silicon Valley-esque entrepreneur culture. Maybe one of these days, I'll get a pilot-writer and pitch the idea to a network...

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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Seems like a lot of the things he finds funny are because he's a suit, and has always been a suit. He always gets modded up by the former reddit/current YC news community, and I've never figured out why, since normally the same people seem to be anti-suit.

I think "suits" like Guy Kawasaki and Seth Godin are hackers-in-wolves clothing. That's why I find their opinions interesting.

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought most of them were funny too. Startups are basically comedies, or at least seem so in retrospect. One thing I've learned from YC is that practically all startups are broken in some way, no matter what face they show to the world. And novel kinds of breakage are the basis of humor.

"Startups are basically comedies [...]" I've been seriously waiting for a Scrubs-style primetime comedy on startups and/or Silicon Valley-esque entrepreneur culture. Maybe one of these days, I'll get a pilot-writer and pitch the idea to a network...

"Maybe one of these days, I'll get a pilot-writer and pitch the idea to a network..."

heh, or you could always pitch to YCombinator :D

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought most of them were funny too. Startups are basically comedies, or at least seem so in retrospect. One thing I've learned from YC is that practically all startups are broken in some way, no matter what face they show to the world. And novel kinds of breakage are the basis of humor.

"Startups are basically comedies [...]" I've been seriously waiting for a Scrubs-style primetime comedy on startups and/or Silicon Valley-esque entrepreneur culture. Maybe one of these days, I'll get a pilot-writer and pitch the idea to a network...

'... been seriously waiting for a Scrubs-style primetime comedy on startups and/or Silicon Valley-esque entrepreneur culture ...'

AGENT: "So tell me about the show, what's it about?"

NERD #1: "Well its 4 guys, sitting inside on computers typing, making jokes, writing code and eating pizza trying to reshape the social networks in cyberspace."

AGENT: "So do you go outside?"

GEEK #1: "No, we don't need to. I just look up 'alt.nerd.obsessive' and find the google location & look it up on google map."

AGENT: "Do you do normal things?". "You know Like go to cafe's and meet women?". "You know talk, drink coffee?"

GEEK #2: "I saw a girl this week. I've counted three this week... including the one at the 7-11". D"o you know what I'm working on? I'm optomising a ...."

NERD #2: "Don't listen to them. They're doing server side work. We are the front end guys. I own a mac. It's got an OS10-X Tiger OS with ..."

AGENT: zzz... zzz... zzz...

NERD #1: "Guys, guys your blowing it, jeez. Now look what your've done. You've put the agent to sleep. How we ever going to get on TV?"

Geek #2: "What about YouTube?"

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Oh yeah it's really going to catch on :)

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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I think he always has been a suit: http://guykawasaki.com/about/index.shtml He got his MBA, then got into evangelizing about Apple through a friend. I think I would count MBAs who evangelize about Apple as suits. Edit: By the way, nothing about being a suit means you're not nice, of course. I would assume that most suits are probably nicer than most hackers, because it's the job of a suit to say nice things, while it…

Well, I guess I meant it more in the sense that he's always been self-deprecating about being an MBA since he likes to promote the entrepreneur over the businessman. For a suit, he understands the culture pretty well.

Yeah, Guy Kawasaki is a great example of the maxim that what really matters is "getting it", not so much "being it". Even though he's no hacker (and makes no claim to be) he understand hackers, which has made him incredibly effective at interfacing with hackers--which is really the hard problem of what he does.

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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"Startups are basically comedies [...]" I've been seriously waiting for a Scrubs-style primetime comedy on startups and/or Silicon Valley-esque entrepreneur culture. Maybe one of these days, I'll get a pilot-writer and pitch the idea to a network...

'... been seriously waiting for a Scrubs-style primetime comedy on startups and/or Silicon Valley-esque entrepreneur culture ...' AGENT: "So tell me about the show, what's it about?" NERD #1: "Well its 4 guys, sitting inside on computers typing, making jokes, writing code and eating pizza trying to reshape the social networks in cyberspace." AGENT: "So do you go outside?" GEEK #1: "No, we don't need to. I just look u…

You obviously haven't watched the IT Crowd: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=it+crowd&search=Search

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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'... been seriously waiting for a Scrubs-style primetime comedy on startups and/or Silicon Valley-esque entrepreneur culture ...' AGENT: "So tell me about the show, what's it about?" NERD #1: "Well its 4 guys, sitting inside on computers typing, making jokes, writing code and eating pizza trying to reshape the social networks in cyberspace." AGENT: "So do you go outside?" GEEK #1: "No, we don't need to. I just look u…

You obviously haven't watched the IT Crowd: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=it+crowd&search=Search

I haven't, though it slightly rings a bell. I referred to the Wikipedia article on it and it reports a US pilot has just been filmed last month. I'll keep my eye on that one.

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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post #12

Seems like a lot of the things he finds funny are because he's a suit, and has always been a suit. He always gets modded up by the former reddit/current YC news community, and I've never figured out why, since normally the same people seem to be anti-suit.

I think "suits" like Guy Kawasaki and Seth Godin are hackers-in-wolves clothing. That's why I find their opinions interesting.

IIRC, Seth Godin was a CS major in college though.

Don't forget, hacker originally meant someone who crawled around in steam tunnels. It really just means someone who explores and takes stuff apart because they want to learn how it works. That could be code, could be social systems.

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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Seems like a lot of the things he finds funny are because he's a suit, and has always been a suit. He always gets modded up by the former reddit/current YC news community, and I've never figured out why, since normally the same people seem to be anti-suit.

I could tell from my coversation with him that he is genuinely a nice person. Guy hasn't always been a "suit" btw. He started out as an Apple evangelist, not a venture capitalist. He has an inspiring video that might change your view of him: http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2006/06/the_art_of_the_.html That said, his book "The Art of Start" did not live upto my expectations. I felt that it was too practical; consequently,…

"That said, his book 'The Art of Start' did not live up to my expectations."

His book Selling the Dream is a lot more out there. A lot of his ideas has since been appropriated by others, so it's not entirely fresh. Still, there are some good things in that book that you won't find anywhere else. He has this huge list of people who told famous entrepreneurs their ideas sucked. Like, "I think there's a world market for maybe 5 computers." But about 100 of those quotes in a row. Including the quote where he turns down the chance to be CEO of Yahoo! because "there's no money in search and the commute is too far." :-)

Re: Guy Kawasaki on Founders at Work

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"Woz (Apple). All the best things I did at Apple came from (a) not having money, and (b) not having done it before, ever."

There's a lot of poor, inexperienced people here in Cleveland. I wonder why it hasn't become a start-up hub...

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