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Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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I agree that Republicans are a group identity with the group problems. Just be careful that "the Republicans" is not the "out group" of any group identity that you may participate with. The effects described by the OP can be subtle & sneaky & applies to everyone. Just like a seemingly innocuous bug or an abstract primitive can cause deep cascading ramifications in a complex system. Symbols or proxies for thought effe…

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This is basically the story of the history of human beings, and of our close relatives, the chimpanzees. Escaping these (apparently) hard-wired behaviors is what education is for; humans don't have to act like animals. However, this is what humans revert to when education is dismantled, and when group-identity themes are forced on them - tribalism, nationalism, sectarian religious fanaticism, identitarianism, etc. Fo…

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> The researchers had 35 male college students complete a competitive, aggressive task against either a student from their university or from what they were told was a rival university. Male college students, an “aggressive task”, and a rival university. College students are literally trained to associate out-competing rival universities as a fun and desirable activity. It’s the entire foundation of sports programs.…

>College students are literally trained to associate out-competing rival universities as a fun and desirable activity. This was not my experience in undergrad, literally at all. No idea where this comes from

Anecdotally, my wife’s school (UNC) had a rival (Duke). Temple That’s not weird or exceptional. There’s long Wikipedia article about rivalries between universities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_rivalries_in_t...

Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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Each individual person is liable to become a "them" once one asserts one's individuality from the group identity. Group coalitions that do not respect individuality often fall prey to base emotions as they collectively punish individual identities. Individual creators are largely responsible for the actual work, new ideas, innovations, things... The feedback loop described in the OP creates groupthink, politically co…

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I'm not American and I've only visited for four months total, so my view of the politics is mainly from the news and forums like this one. From this, given how often I see Republicans saying it's the Democrats who are restricting freedoms, I have to assume the two camps (as in being or the other as identity, not necessarily just voting red or blue last time) actually want to do different things — if you'll bear with the obvious stereotypes, reds want to have guns and limit birth control, while and blues want to have birth control and limit guns.

Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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This is basically the story of the history of human beings, and of our close relatives, the chimpanzees. Escaping these (apparently) hard-wired behaviors is what education is for; humans don't have to act like animals. However, this is what humans revert to when education is dismantled, and when group-identity themes are forced on them - tribalism, nationalism, sectarian religious fanaticism, identitarianism, etc. Fo…

Your rowboat pair won't attack each other, because the point of attacking an out-group is to gain status in your in-group. It's a performance. If there's no audience, there's no performance

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The Germans even have a word for it: Schadenfreude It comes from envy, the second deepest level in Dante’s Inferno. Dante’s cure for envy was sewing the eyes shut.

That's not what Schadenfreude is and neither does the word have any direct relation to envy ("Neid").

I thought it was related to envy because it’s the joy experienced from the pain of others. And it’s a response to the envy felt at the gain of others.

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”While undergoing functional MRI, participants completed an aggression task against both an ingroup and an outgroup opponent in which their opponents repeatedly provoked them at varying levels and then participants could retaliate. Participants were then socially included and then excluded by two outgroup members and then completed the same aggression task against the same two opponents.”

I am not an expert but this seems like a dumpster fire in terms of experimental control.

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>College students are literally trained to associate out-competing rival universities as a fun and desirable activity. This was not my experience in undergrad, literally at all. No idea where this comes from

Anecdotally, my wife’s school (UNC) had a rival (Duke). Temple That’s not weird or exceptional. There’s long Wikipedia article about rivalries between universities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_rivalries_in_t...

Is that something that's just cultural in the community or is it something explicitly taught by university orientation/course work?

Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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The Germans even have a word for it: Schadenfreude It comes from envy, the second deepest level in Dante’s Inferno. Dante’s cure for envy was sewing the eyes shut.

I don't think Schadenfreude is dependant on whether or not the person is in the ingroup/outgroup.

Re: Harming the ‘outgroup’ linked to elevated activity in the brain reward circuitry

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>College students are literally trained to associate out-competing rival universities as a fun and desirable activity. This was not my experience in undergrad, literally at all. No idea where this comes from

Were you in college in the US, or somewhere else? It may be more prevalent in the US, dunno. Just based on observations of US sports and cheerleader culture.

Undergrad in the Midwest US
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