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How to Not Get Hit by Cars

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Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

#71
Regarding number 4, "Don't ride against traffic."

Seems pretty obvious, but in my local area they've started building bike lanes for both directions on a single side of the road [1]. It's great that they have nice wide bike lanes with some separation from the cars, but quite frankly it's an accident waiting to happen at the junctions with one of the bike lanes running opposite to the expected flow of traffic.

Cars pulling out of side roads on that side now how to cross the double bike lane first, (which means looking both ways when you would only expect to have to look in one direction) before reaching either car lane. It's also not signposted that bikes can be coming from both directions. Cars going straight over a cross roads have to cross the double bike lane after the double car lane, so have to switch and look both directions twice at different times.

Worse, as a car, if you are turning off the main road and down the side road (either to the left or right), you now also have to watch for bikes coming up the bike lane from behind you which is very tricky.

Both of these situations goes against the well established norms of the road which I think makes for a very dangerous situation.

And finally, when the double bike lane crosses a more major intersection with traffic lights, they actually narrow it to a single lane running only with the flow of traffic. Bikes moving on the lane opposite to the natural flow are directed to cut across the other half of the bike lane and navigate the whole junction on the pedestrian pavements, crossing the roads at crossings. On a bike this significantly slows you down, unsurprisingly I've frequently seen cyclists ignore the guidance and attempt to navigate the intersection against the flow of traffic on the now single track bike lane. That's crazy dangerous as the timing of the lights pretty much guarantees that you are going to be passing in front of a turning or crossing car. I don't endorse the behaviour of cyclists who do this, and to some extent it's their fault if they get hit when not following the rules of the road, but given how awkward and slow they've made it to follow the 'correct' route, I'm not at all surprised to see it being ignored.

[1] Something like these: - https://www.buffalorising.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/202... - https://www.buffalorising.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/202...

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

#72
Here is one that bicyclists really hate:

Don't ride on narrow back-county roads where you block the regular flow of traffic.

I used to live on one such road and the bicyclists regularly insisted I travel >30 MPH below the speed limit because of a long uphill section that was double yellow due to many curves and hillsides blocking the line of site for passing. Bicyclists would get visibly angry at drivers who were not willing to break the law and pass on a double yellow and also risk a head-on collision. It was among the most arrogant and inconsiderate things I've seen people do on a regular basis.

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

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I've been commuting by bicycle for nearly 40 years, under a broad array of circumstances, and the article's advice checks out with my own personal rules. Although the vast majority of the crashes and wipeouts I've suffered involved no cars, just me losing control. However, over hundreds of wipeouts accumulated over a lifetime of cycling, I have never hit my head! Wiping out is a skill. A skill best cultivated when on…

> hundreds of wipeouts Wait, hundreds ? I don't own a car and use my bike daily, including commuting to work (which means 24 kilometers per day commuting alone), for around 6 years now. As a kid, I cycled to school every day for 9 years. I had maybe 2-3 crashes as a kid, and 2 crashes in the last 6 years: once a garbage man rolled a trash can into my handlebar at full speed, and another time a small branch got caught…

I've done my share of BMX, mountain biking, and winter riding (where minor wipeouts can be common).

My last commuting wipeout was a couple years ago when I failed to register a speed bump while going pretty fast. I hit it, my front wheel turned sideways, and I slammed myself into the pavement pretty hard.

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

#74
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Living in a densely populated urban city where I walk and take public transport. The problem cuts both ways, irrepressible cyclists are a danger to pedestrians and motorists when they aren't following the road. It must vary from place to place as to which group is the most dangerous, but in Scotland the cyclists in the major cities (especially delivery ones) are getting more and more dangerous. They seem to treat eve…

Generally that happens in places where biking would be the ideal transportation mean (due to distances/weather/density) but the infrastructure is poor to support it. Give people safe means to move around and they will use it.

On the other hand, statistics show that bikes are comparatively much safer than cars when it comes to the safety of others. When a bike rider kills someone else, it makes the news. When a driver kills someone else, it's business as usual because it's so common.

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

#75

>#2 The Door Prize: A driver opens his door right in front of you. If you have time to react to a car door suddenly opening in front of you, is it best to go around the door? Or should you brake and stop in a straight line, even if you might crash into the door and the person stepping out of the car? The same site contains a list of cyclist fatalities[0]. In over 95% of the car door collisions, the bicyclist was kill…

> But, naturally, that list doesn't include all the times that a cyclist successfully swerved around the door and nothing happened.

It also doesn't include all of the times cyclists crashed into a door and got back on the bike with nothing but some bruises and a damaged ego. Or any times they crashed and received a noteworthy injury but didn't die.

Like with many safety statistics unfortunately the only data we have to work with is the most severe cases - we have a mountain of data on when things go wrong (deaths), but safe behaviour is invisible since its outcomes are never logged.

Regardless one thing is clear - if you want to avoid either cycling at speed into a person or a heavy metal object, or swerving wildly into passing traffic, always take the lane instead of cycling in the door zone.

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

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So much of this advice is “ride to the left” and I wish to emphasize it. Novice riders are trained to stick to an invisible (or painted) bike lake which ends up with them being far less visible than they need to be. Your safety is more important than some car’s need to get to work 5 seconds faster, and you shouldn’t feel controlling anxiety if some idiot honks at you for riding in the main traffic lane. You have righ…

Where I live, the cars greatly outnumber bikes. Cyclists that go in the main traffic lane will slow things down substantially, and I think that is inconsiderate.

I find a hybrid approach works well in these cases. Most of the time when I am cycling in a straight line where risk is low I stick to the side of the lane to allow cars to more easily overtake me, but at points where it is particularly risky, such as when there are parked cars (risk getting ‘doored’) or at an intersection, I will take a more primary cycling stance.

It’s important to share the road and be considerate, but not if it risks your safety.

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where I live, the cars greatly outnumber bikes. Cyclists that go in the main traffic lane will slow things down substantially, and I think that is inconsiderate.

I think hitting cyclists with cars and horrifically injuring them is inconsiderate. But each to their own.

Both are. I've done both for a long time, forcing everyone to go at 30 km/h in a 50 zone is inconsiderate. Not as inconsiderate as not being careful around cyclists when you drive. This looks like a system design problem to me. The needs of the cyclists don't match the needs of the drivers. This is why we are fighting over this. There has to be a solution, but I know nothing about civil engineering.

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

#78
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So much of this advice is “ride to the left” and I wish to emphasize it. Novice riders are trained to stick to an invisible (or painted) bike lake which ends up with them being far less visible than they need to be. Your safety is more important than some car’s need to get to work 5 seconds faster, and you shouldn’t feel controlling anxiety if some idiot honks at you for riding in the main traffic lane. You have righ…

Just understand if you take up a traffic lane when a bike lane is right next to you, some cars will pass you then slow down to walking speed in front of you.

Hostility results in hostility, and you’re not surrounded by steel.

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

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So much of this advice is “ride to the left” and I wish to emphasize it. Novice riders are trained to stick to an invisible (or painted) bike lake which ends up with them being far less visible than they need to be. Your safety is more important than some car’s need to get to work 5 seconds faster, and you shouldn’t feel controlling anxiety if some idiot honks at you for riding in the main traffic lane. You have righ…

In the UK, cycle lanes stop or are explicitly painted out in front of cars in such areas. Such as: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/57/34/2573447_7290591... (it's not clear without more context why the lane's on the right, remember we drive on the left so usually the lane is too, but my point is the area in front of the cars, forcing cars to see you and allowing the cyclists to clear the junction first.)

Same in Germany: https://www.nw.de/_em_daten/_cache/image/1xekc0SVN5N2FSQ295T...

Re: How to Not Get Hit by Cars

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post #69
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So much of this advice is “ride to the left” and I wish to emphasize it. Novice riders are trained to stick to an invisible (or painted) bike lake which ends up with them being far less visible than they need to be. Your safety is more important than some car’s need to get to work 5 seconds faster, and you shouldn’t feel controlling anxiety if some idiot honks at you for riding in the main traffic lane. You have righ…

In the UK, cycle lanes stop or are explicitly painted out in front of cars in such areas. Such as: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/57/34/2573447_7290591... (it's not clear without more context why the lane's on the right, remember we drive on the left so usually the lane is too, but my point is the area in front of the cars, forcing cars to see you and allowing the cyclists to clear the junction first.)

I was just in London, and while the boxes were nice the lanes were terrible and overly narrow. The drivers were homicidal compared to drivers in NYC. I wouldn’t say it was a positive experience.
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